tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21920512649477042842024-03-05T07:05:58.128-08:00The Yoga Podcast Transcripts - Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2192051264947704284.post-63865970721908200502015-03-10T13:52:00.003-07:002015-03-11T08:39:13.816-07:00The Yoga Podcast Episode 5 with David Garrigues: The Devotional Side Of Yoga<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia
Altucher: </span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">So hello, and welcome to the Yoga
Podcast. I am thrilled to have with me today David Garrigues. David
is the director of the Ashtanga Yoga School of Philadelphia. He's
one of a few teachers in the United States to be certified to teach the
ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga System by the late Pattabhi Jois who is the founder of
this system. He teaches workshops all over the world and he has
several instructional DVDs on the primary and the intermediate series of
ashtanga yoga, as well as a book that comes together with the DVD on the fourth
limb pranayama, the branch of breathing. And he has also recorded
two devotional or kirtan CDs called Jaya Sat Guru and Bad Man Bhakti. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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welcome. Thank you for joining us today in the Yoga Podcast.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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let me ask you a question right off the bat. Is Garrigues a Spanish
name? Do you have any Spanish connection?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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a Basque name. So right near – it's in the Pyrenees Mountains
between France and Spain, but I think it's on the French side.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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we're not related. Not a chance <i>[Laughs]</i>.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> I
don't think so. But I had a bass teacher once that he insisted it
was Garrigues. So who knows?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues: </span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Yeah <i>[Laughs]</i>.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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David, you started practicing yoga about 25 years ago. Is that fair
to say?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Well,
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you remember what brought you into it? What was it that – why
yoga? What happened?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> I
can remember it perfectly because it was a very amazing thing happened. I
was young. I was sixteen. So that was 30 – more than 35
years ago. A friend, he – I was a dishwasher. That was my
first job when I was sixteen years old at a restaurant.</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;">And
there's always an eccentric dishwasher that's, like, older, they – 'cause it's
just kind of a job you can do. And so there was another guy, a
dishwasher, an older guy, and he was into all kinds of crazy stuff, but he was
into yoga. And he took me out to a park and taught me the Surya
Namaskara, the Sun Salutation outside. I just – I loved it. I
thought it was incredible and I started doing it by myself outside on the beach
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was in West Seattle. I lived – I'm from Seattle and I lived on Alki
Beach in West Seattle, and I would go out in this little park and do it. And
I even wrote a paper about it in – for my school and I called it "The
World Is A Sacrament". So I got – it was very devotional and it
took – me, right away I took to it and was just sixteen years old and didn't
know anything about it. And I actually continued to practice the Sun
Salutation without knowing anything else about yoga for some years, actually.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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there was a devotional component that got you right away? You sensed
there was something in it for you?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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if I may fast forward, you had this story recently. In the summer of
2013 you were driving in New Mexico and you had a pretty intense car
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it was a real freak thing because it was in the middle of summer in New Mexico
on the highway and was going reasonably fast and all of a sudden we came across
something I'd never encountered 'cause I'm not from there, but an unbelievable
hail storm. Radical. Giant balls of hail and a torrential
downpour. Unbelievable. It went from clear to like that
to you couldn't see twenty feet in front of you. And it was just –
the cacophony of weather. Whoa. And I tried to stop,
tried to put on the brakes, and it totally didn't work. We started
swerving totally out of control at 75 miles an hour. Totally out of
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so we were – fishtail to one side, and Joy's there next to me. She's
going, "We're okay." Then we swerved to the other
side. Three times. Just all the way across the road,
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the thing was gonna – if it would have – it could have rolled. It
could have easily just caught and rolled. And then there was other
cars too that were off – that had already spun off to the – off the road. And
so finally it slowed down enough that it righted and we – and then – but I
ended up off of the road going really fast on the grass.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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then finally it came to a stop and that wasn't over then because there was,
like, three feet of water. The car started sinking in the
water. And I tried to open it and it was like water started coming
in the car. So I – somehow I managed to back up and get out of it
and drove off and nothing happened. Not a scratch or anything, but…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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incredible. And I just want to say Joy [Marzec] is your partner
who's also an amazing yogi, movie director, and an amazing person. But
what I got from your newsletter is that when this was happening, which is
terrifying, you had some insights –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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you said here, I have it, "I<i>n those few lucid moments, I saw my shadow
clearly and I saw that my shadow contributed to me being in this dire
situation. I saw the wrongness of my impatience, my continual
dissatisfaction, the kind that hinders, not helps</i>." And
that's an eye-opening moment there. When you're confronted with
death, you…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it's amazing when that veil gets ripped out like that and how lucid that
is. And then when I talk to other people about it, it's so hard
because when the danger's over, you remember and you take something with you,
but then also, I don't know, it's so strange how that work, the maya, the
illusion. It's so easily comes back that you get impatient
again. But I definitely learned from that and it stuck what me, some
of that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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guess that's why we call it a daily practice, having to come back to what's
real. "Okay, I'm still facing death. There's no need
to rush <i>[Laughs]</i>." It's very hard for me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it comes to the difference in practice through age, you say, "At 30 I want
more and more Asanas, I want more practice. At 40, I want my
pranayama." What happens as we age with the yoga practice as we
grow older?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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not as much as I want my pranayama. It's more I definitely explored
the Asana in a different way and I'm not as drawn to the transitions. I'm
drawn to the Asana itself and to what – and to being there in that place. And
so – and that, to me, was, I guess, unexpected because of how physical I am and
how athletic I've been and just how much I love movement and dynamism and how
much – that's one of the reasons I really love ashtanga is the flow and the
real amazing transitions that link everything together.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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certainly, aging has just made that less important, the flow and the
movement, and made the stillness and the breathing and the exploration of the
position – this is different than pranayama. It's actually like I'm
interested in the very basic shapes like triangle and shoulder stand and what
they reveal meditatively within internal awareness and consciousness and
breathing. And it's something very different than a sitting practice
or even a pranayama practice because it is still a shape, and it's something –
and there's variety involved in it. When you do inversions, that's
really different than a seated type of work. And so it's just coming
to love that more. And fewer Asanas. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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feel the same way. I'm 46 right now and I find that the more I step
on the mat and the pranayama practice grows, the breathing practice grows, then
it – I don't even need to do so many postures because you start to get kind of
more juice out of each of the postures. You identify new things
happening in the body. So I guess would you say the Asana has enough
in it to bring you inwards from being totally out there and thinking about
where the next paycheck comes from to going really to that central axis that
you talk about and to focus your energy within you?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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do. I say, for me, there's – because it's combining so many
important elements that – 'cause there is a seated kind of meditation type of
aspect that would not require Asana that – other than sitting, but it's more
than that because it is physically expressive. And I also liken – I
think Asana is yantra.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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is like mantra, but it's – so mantra is mind instrument, so it's a </span><span style="font-size: 18px;">corolla</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;"> of
the mind, a sacred sound that you utter. </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;">And
yantra is a – it has to do with form and order and a physical device for
meditation or shape. And so Asana is that. It's a shape
or a form, a certain ordered-pattern form and there's an aesthetic quality to
it to. That it has something compelling to the eye or to the
senses. And so for me, that's why the Asana can do what you're
saying. It draws you in completely because it has so much interest
for somebody that – I don't know. There's an aesthetic aspect to it,
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that's included in movement and posture that is particularly compelling to me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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your workshops earlier this year and you were calling it a gesture. It's
not just a pose that you're doing. It's a gesture. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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you said the difference between a beginner student and an intermediate student
– do you remember what you said? You said it's the gesture.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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said is that you maintain these – I guess the yantra, we could say. Would
that be fair to say?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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that the yantra – to make a yantra, a skillful yantra, is to make a
gesture. And that gesture has – like mudra, the word mudra, which is
an important…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> What
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Mudra
is – well, it means seal or it has many meanings, actually, but it means like a
stamp. So you – like a king when he signs his thing, he leaves his
stamp. That's a mudra. But it's also a gesture, like a
hand gesture they have. The classic mudras are like dancers. Indian
dancers do all the hand gestures or all mudras. And then in yoga
they have those – the classic ones too for meditation and things. But
it's a broader term that any – all the transitions between the postures in the
ashtanga system they're gestures. So you gesture between
the posture. And they're alternating, opposing patterns, those
gestures, that they're – so your gestures reveals one pattern when you inhale
and another pattern when you exhale, and those are opposing patterns.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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then the Asana itself is a gesture. And in that way, it can be a
kind of very slow unfolding gesture. It could take ten minutes to
complete this gesture that is headstand or whatever you're working on.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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then these opposing forces that happen, say, for example in the down dog where
your heels are going to the ground and the seat bones are aiming towards the
ceiling or even in the headstand where you're inverted and everything is upside
down, learning to breathe in the face of these opposing forces, I guess that's
part of what yoga is all about, right? Even when you step off the
mat –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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maintaining that equanimity. I think you talk about equanimity in
your book as well. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so that – and it's a very curious thing, opposing forces, because they – in one
sense, if you get – go right to the root of it, of yoga, the source of all that
is you is completely equanimous. In fact, it seemed as, like, all
equal, everything, like there's a unity that exists. And then what
actually starts kind of creation or manifestation is imbalance. So
form is based on imperfection and in that sense, like ignorance in a way. And
so those – and the opposing forces are the quintessential pair that come right
from that equanimity. And that – and so all the forms get created
from just those two original forms like the yin and yang.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so what's interesting is you have to use those opposing forces to get to the
unity, to get back to it, to kind of return to this source that we've
forgotten. And so the – that's how you do it, with breathing, with
the inhalation and the exhalation. And like what you're saying, by
stamping the heels down and lifting the sitting bones up or pushing the thigh
bones back as you resist. They're everywhere, those. And
then you learn how to use those to get, to find that center line, that elusive
middle that is dynamic. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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practice, you step on the mat. But with this kind of knowledge, then
it becomes a whole exploration trip into just the Sun Salutation <i>[Laughs]</i>. It's
amazing how much can go into it, right?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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incredible. You said that in the book "Vayu Siddhi", by the
way, that you wrote, and which to to me is total poetry. I find you to be a poet
because the descriptions are very vivid, there's a lot of – the way you write
is just very – it's very well written. And you said that the
inspiration for this book came to you during a period of immobilization.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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happened to you? How did this book come to life?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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won't believe this. So we – it was after Guruji [Patthabhi Jois]</span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> passed away,</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;"> my teacher. And the next time I went to India after he passed
away, I was supposed to go to Mysore and Joy and I got to Bangalore, that's the
city that you fly into to go to Mysore, and we – for some reason I couldn't go
there. I got totally – just I couldn't go. And so
we decided – I started looking for other places we could go and we ended up
going to this place really remote. It's called the Andaman
Islands. So it's a set of islands that are off the coast of – the
East Coast of India and they're completely remote. There's
Aboriginal tribes living on some of the islands. It's just crazy
wild and you have to get – you fly in a plane and then you go in a boat.</span></div>
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finally we – so we went there and I was gonna focus on my practice and we ended
up staying at this place where there was a yoga shala up – you walked up these
stairs and it overlooked the jungle and everything. And so I was
amazingly stoked for this kind of time just to retreat and do that. And
then I also – there was surfing there <i>[Laughs]</i>. So I got
a little bit distracted with some surfing. And for some reason, a
really – I don't know, within one week, less than a week, I was working on
Twist, the stand – </span></div>
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it's a twist, but I trenched my back, tweaked it really bad. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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there we were stuck. There was nowhere we were gonna go for one
month. There's no…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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for one month with no Internet, no nothing. And I had planned – I
had arranged it all to practice. That was my whole thing. And
so what I did, though, is I practiced on my back, breathing and sitting in dandasana</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;"> with my feet on at the wall and…</span></div>
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did you also visualize the Asana practice? Some people talk about
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don't think so. Not too much. </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;">No. I
did – I approximated kind of – in a way I visualized it, but not in a literal
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Then
you had an opportunity to go in the breathing limb, the fourth limb of yoga,
and to really – I guess you had a whole month to…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> I
couldn't move. So that got eliminated. "Sorry,
David. No more Asana. What are you gonna do
now?" Well, I'm gonna breathe. And then in that DVD,
there's two disks and one disk is a preparation for the second disk, which is
the ashtanga-pranayama sequence. But all of those preparation things
came from that month. That's the kind of thing I was exploring doing
it. And no, it was an amazing – it changed my whole world from that
intensive month.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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wonder if you had </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;"> –
an opportunity to really kind of achieve the fifth limb of yoga where the
senses really withdraw by having so much time, no Internet. Did that
somewhat happen? Can you tell us? I don't even know if
it's okay to ask that </span><i style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;">[Laughs]</i><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;">.</span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> I
don't know. I don't know about that. I feel – yeah, I'm
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Not
sure. But however, we did get "Vayu Siddhi" out of this,
which is an incredible book. And I read it twice now. I
particularly –like it not only for the descriptions of the ways in which you do pranayama, but I like the stories at the end. You have some stories
about the gods fighting. And you have some stories about – personal
stories about you with Pattahbi Jois that are very interesting on the
tradition. But my question to you is what does Vayu Siddhi mean?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Well,
for one, so Siddhi, that means power or – so if you're a siddha, it means
you're a master, you've got – you have power. And Siddhis are kind
of classic in yoga. There's like the eight – they're kind of magical
powers, they're thought of, like being able to grow small or become invisible
or materialize things. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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like that one. Become invisible. I love it. I
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also there's a lot of different Siddhis and like one of my favorites is that
Mula Bandha, it gives you – it's said "Dardura Siddhi", which is…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Mula Bandha? Because some of my audience may not have heard all
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it's called the root lock. It means root lock. So it's an
internal energetic lock that you seal off the pelvic area. You kind
of energetically contain energy within your body. And that…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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more gross forms, you can feel it perhaps by tightening the perineum
slightly. I know it's not the perfect definition, but it's –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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that's...</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;">In
the physical way, it's a contraction of the pelvic floor, but in an energetic
way, it's a kind of sealing in of life force and it gives you – and physically,
movement wise, it gives you this kind of dynamism, a dynamic center to move
from and to be supported by. And so what a perfect – well, actually,
I'm sorry. One other thing. That it's also thought of as
a kind of rebound power. So the force of gravity hat goes downwards
and there's a kind of downward energy, they call it apana. And that
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so the lock Bandha, the lock is a redirection of downward force up. So
it has this rebounding quality or a geyser going up, an energetic kind of
up-flowing against down-flowing energy.<br />
And so the Dardura Siddhi is the result of Mula Bandha. You get this
power called the frog leap power <i>[Laughs]</i>. Like it's a leaping of a
frog. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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the Vayu Siddhi is using this sort of rebounding of the lower energies, the
energies that want to go out, that maybe when misconstrued, it would be sort of
sexual energy used wrong or earthy things and sort of taking it up. Am
I getting this right?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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still talking about this funny – it's a funny one to me 'cause to me, the ones
– I kind of laugh because the Siddhis normally – to become invisible, come
on. Or to material things. And it's not real. Like,
they're – and there's a lot of Charlatans, actually, yogis that do that. They
have a trick for materializing something, but it's not real. And so
I just love – but it doesn't take away from that Siddhis are real. That
this power is very real and important. And that's why I like the
frog leap power, that it's very humble. It's just humble. But
I'm sorry. I've kind of gotten off track. So the Vayu
Siddhi, what it means, though, Vayu – prana, the word prana, it means life
force. All right? And it's a big word. It's
very kind of hard to translate into English, but it's the energy behind
everything in the universe. Everything that takes a form that has a
birth, a life and a death, the energy that is the source of that is called
prana. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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then inside the body when prana gets inside the body so from the layer of skin
inwards, they call it – it gets named Vayu. All right? And
Vayu is – the word means to blow. And it's the name for the Vedic
god. And the Vedics were the most ancient sacred texts of the Aryan tribes
that brought the kind of Hindu religion to India. And they were
element-worshipping people. So that the gods of the Vedas were like
elemental forces. And Vayu's the wind. And so – and then
all of those elemental forces get internalized, so inside the body it becomes
breath. So Vayu's a symbol of breath. Ah, it's such a
beautiful image. And of that elemental force. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so in yoga, by breathing and by working with those internal locks, you learn to
direct that internal life force, to direct it. And like what you
were saying, that sexual energy like libido, it can be used so wrong, so
unconsciously and un-directly</span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">. And so that – but yoga is partly
learning how to direct your life force and particularly to create consciousness
and a spiritual identity and awareness. And so Vayu Siddhis is to
master the Vayus, to master those – the prana inside you and particularly through
breathing. And so that's the title of that book. To me, I
just love the idea of mastering that life force for a spiritual realization.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it's very profound the way you describe it because there's so many layers to
it. Accessing it, realizing where perhaps you're wasting the energy
and harnessing it through the breath, which is what the fourth limb proposes. But
my question is – and perhaps – why did you choose to call the book this and not
something like, for example, "Master The Energy Of The Breath" or
something in English, say, for example?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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good marketing decision. I still have several boxes of
that book in my basement.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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hopefully people will get interested now. I'm really hoping 'cause
it's a great book.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so useful. And it's just a nice volume. It's packed with
information. But the reason that I did it was because I love that
word, those words, and they describe what that book is helping you to
become. And there really is – to me, every Sanskrit word is a – it's
a mantra. Remember what that – it's a mind instrument. And
the corresponding English word does not do it justice. It's not the
same. And just by repeating – if you think of it as Vayu Siddhi,
eventually you won't even want to translate it into English. It'll
just – Vayu is Vayu. Just like when you speak English, you don't
think – or your native language, you don't think of what the word means. You
know what it means. And so if you use Sanskrit enough, that happens
to you too. And then you have a different reference for what it is.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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have to say I love the sound of Sanskrit. It definitely has
something really magical in it. I think it's one of the oldest
languages of the world. And so I like the title. I just
thought maybe it would leave some people out of the wonderful contents of the
book. So I'm glad we clarified that and hopefully…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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do think about making another edition of it and changing it into English just
to make it more accessible to people 'cause I am – it is a concern of mine that
it doesn't reach as many people as it could simply because of things like that,
like a title that they won't necessarily relate to. But I will say,
Claudia, that I really – it's important to me that we don't leave behind the
language of yoga in trying to make things accessible because it really will not
be the same world the day it's triangle pose instead of Utthita Trikonasana or
– exactly. Mastery of breathing or mastery of energy instead of Vayu
Siddhi. That's an important thing that should never happen. That
it really needs to – the language of yoga is so important. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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I agree. I agree. And it takes on a whole different
meaning and ring to it. I agree. I've been getting into
the Sanskrit slowly, I'm not quite there, and I'm loving it, especially the
repetitions of mantras is very interesting. Now, you have – talking
of the repetition of mantras and Sanskrit, you are a very devoted yogi. You
chant and you do kirtan or devotional singing. You play
instruments. You're a full-blown musician. And I have to
say I couldn't sit in one of your sessions without crying. Is it
because I'm a sissy? 'Cause no one else was crying. I
just couldn't help it. Someone takes over me and I get really – it sends me to
places and sadness and things. Why is that?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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man. You're not alone in that. No. And that is
part of the reason that I was attracted to the chanting and to kirtan and this
– there's something so – it takes you to this emotional place.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it opens you up. And that's partly its design too that it's meant to
work on you that way, to open you up and to – it has both. It has
all this sadness, this kind of deep grief that's inside that doesn't get let
out and that needs that, needs release, but it's also the incredible joy too
and some kind of – for lack – of like a finding of home or something very deep
and important and meaningful to you and the happiness that comes with that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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very interesting. I haven't gotten to the joy part. I'm
hoping I will. For me it seems to be just <i>[laughs]</i> sadness
and tears, but I'm glad to know there is another side to it, that you can get
to a joyful place. That's –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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to me – I've also spent a lot of time in India and the classical vocal music is
just some of the most beautiful music. Period. And the
most kind of emotionally evocative music that I've – by far that I've ever
encountered. And in the whole range of emotions. If you –
I've gotten – seen many concerts and they're – it's just amazing what emotion
comes and is expressed.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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thing I would say on that is that I find it's very different, for me at least,
when I hear a recording, which are great, as opposed to hearing it live. So
when you're with a group of people and, say, you're playing that wonderful
instrument you play, it looks like a piano with an accordion, and it's a
different state that you go when you ______ a live sort of devotional
chanting. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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shocking thing that you said recently, shocking to me, you came out – Joy
apparently goes out for walks with you in Philadelphia and she asks you
questions and then she writes about them, and I'm very grateful for her for
doing that because then we get another access into a great teacher's
mind. And you were talking about how yoga really is not meant to
heal people physically or psychically. It's really a
spiritual practice. And then you clarify that's kind of after a
couple of years, not necessarily in the – but do you care to comment on
that? How do you mean? Because for me it was very healing
at the body level, for example.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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a very incomplete discussion on that piece, and it's hard to have a complete
discussion about it, but really what I'm saying is, for one, you can't separate
those. That's an arbitrary mind distinction that – the body, the
mind, the spirit. So we got to be clear that it's not really
distinguishable like that, but it's more for a conversation purpose
and it's really saying – what I'm saying is that you have to be clear about
your intention. And it's not – and it's true that when you –
especially when you start something, you're not – you're gonna be clear later,
maybe more clear about why you're doing it or what it's for. And so you
just see a lot of people attempting to – I don't know. To use yoga
like a sport, for instance, and it's not a sport. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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you will – and I'm just saying that you can harm yourself if you treat it that
way, if you treat it like an athletic exercise, like a –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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you definitely – especially in the ashtanga yoga system, right? Because
it's so intense.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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intense. And it's just not – but that really isn't what it was meant
for. And that doesn't mean – you can always use things different
than they were meant for. I think a lot of invention actually comes
from that successful invention or applying one thing in a new way. But
the best part – and maybe it's a personal opinion to me. It's just
that the best part of yoga is the spiritual part, the part that – you do the
Asanas because – to realize internal truth about yourself. You don't
do it because you want – the same way you would do it, I don't know, to run for
a time or to – I don't know. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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like gymnastics, like to win a meet or something. It's not really
about that. But also, it's more than that. I don't
know. It's a hard – it's interesting you're bringing this one up
because I looked at that again. Just yesterday I had started to and
I was like, "No, this doesn't quite get at it." And it's
more about your intension.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it had me thinking long and hard, and I believe in the beginning, we don't
really know what we're doing that much in yoga. You start for
whatever reason. I started 'cause I wanted to meet a cute guy. Ridiculous. But
then it gets to you and then you start seeing things. And so I can
see how what you say is true. It gets you to the center of
you. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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I was also saying that – just, for instance, take the psychology part. If
you've got really deep psychological things going on that could be triggered by
many things, by your past, by something that's happened more recently, but –
and then there's a lot of unconscious things going on and like neuroses or
compulsion, addiction, things like that and then you try to get to your mat to
work that out every day. And to me, I'm just saying that that – it
can do something, but it's not really the purpose of yoga and it's probably not
as effective as going to a therapist or working on it in a more verbal way or
in a more behavioral way. And so that's the kinda thing I was
talking about in that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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that – but I was also saying, though, that if you do go to your practice as
devotion, as prayer, then – I don't know. You got me on this. This
one we would actually have to have a separate podcast 'cause it's a big one.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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a big one. I agree with that. Absolutely <i>[Laughs]</i>. Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it's a very interesting one. It's one of the most interesting topics
because it really is about like what you're saying. You got healed
from yoga and…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it happened sort of – there were other things too. I did go to – I
had psychological trauma. I come from one of the most traumatic
situations – well, not really. Ninety-nine percent of the people do,
but – and yoga helped me, but it wasn't the only thing. I also went
to a therapist, I also – you still have to do the work. You can't
expect really the practice of yoga to fix everything <i>[Laughs]</i>. _______. And
it's true that the purpose is integration or finding – going in into the Vayu
and into the center of you, the silence, things that…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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come in after you practice. But I'll definitely take you up on
another podcast to talk more about this. I would love that <i>[Laughs]</i>.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it can heal – it can be a physically-healing practice, but it also
cannot. Think about it. Lotus, taking your leg behind
your head, extreme backbends. </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;"> They're
not necessarily the best thing that the basic person is going to do for their
health. And on one hand, they increase range of motion and bring
strength and flexibility, but when you apply ego to it and then you get – you
start to get a lot of ambition about that this is really important to do and
competition, then you have a recipe for problems. And that's not
physical healing. That is danger. </span></div>
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think you got to the core there. It's like when the ego comes in and
then the intention gets – it switches.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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also, can I compensate. Can I be like – if I can do this, then I'm
good. If I could do lotus, then I would be okay. But it's
like, no, that's wrong thing. That's not what lotus is for <i>[Laughs]</i>. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Absolutely.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it's true that lotus can bring wellbeing, but only if all the conditions are
right or if your body is ready and all this. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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takes time, it takes practice, but yes, it's a very interesting topic. Let
me ask you about another book you have coming up. I read you're
writing a book on the Sun Salutations and Surya Namaskara. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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the – well, it's going through the series. So it will be – it starts
with the Surya Namaskara and it's gonna have standing poses, et cetera into the
primary and the finishing and then hopefully second. And, yeah, it's
kind of ambitious in a way because you've – when you were – did we do that real
breakdown of Surya Namaskara in the class that you came? You didn't
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we didn't do that ______ <i>[Crosstalk]</i><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so I do a real analysis of Surya Namaskara. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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there is that much to it as to make a book? You look at it from
different perspectives or…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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you look at it from the – what I call it is the position. So there's
nine positions in the ashtanga Surya Namaskara. And each one of
those positions is an Asana, it's a yantra all in its own. So we – I
break that down. We explore what is that shape? And what are
the problems? And what are the objectives and things? And
then there's the transition into and out of and the gesture that takes you into
the position or brings you out. And then – so how to go about
those. And it's formidable. It's definitely a book. And
it also kinda has the setup – because the Surya Namasakara is the kind of
prototype. It sets up the work for all of the series.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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it has a lot in it, doesn't it?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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has a lot in it. And it has everything. So it has the
breathing, it has those opposing patterns that I talk about that arise on the
breath, which become the positions. And so it has the zero position,
which is the reference for all of the Asanas, and that's the central axis
that's revealed just in standing. And then it has – it introduces
you to the art of forward bending, so that's a whole category of Asanas. And
the art of back bending with the upward facing dog. So it really
does have everything in it.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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someone who's starting yoga right now, say they're listening to this podcast
and they're getting excited about the idea, is the Sun Salutations the place to
start?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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think it is. </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; text-indent: -1.5in;">I
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true.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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many reasons, but one is that if you were to do no other yoga besides that,
that's what I would recommend. Even ten minutes, fifteen minutes a
day of Sun Salutations is an incredible regime for your body, for both strength
and flexibility, for your breathing, for your – focusing your mind and even
it's a devotional thing. That's what – Surya is the Sun God and it's
the light of consciousness. And Namaskara is a bowing to that. And
so it's just very complete.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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physically and symbolically. I like that. I like what you
just said there. That's very interesting. So I want to
ask you a bit of a deep question here, so hashtag deep, here we go <i>[Laughs]</i>. In
your many years of practice, what would you say is one thing that took you the
longest to understand?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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me, for example, understanding that the poses, contained within them, the
intelligence took me a long time. I thought it was just
exercise. And to finally get a glimpse of how powerful they are was
a big insight. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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don't know. I'm getting stumped here, Claudia. What's
taken the longest to learn? I came across this poem
recently that's kind of scary how dismal it is, but it speaks to something really
honest to me about it, about the practice of yoga, and basically, the guy says,
"</span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt;"><b><i>I went ahead and I dove into the waters seeking the fish of
faith.</i></b></span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">" So seeking faith. "</span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt;"><b><i>And my net was
devotion and that net got torn to shreds and all I found was some shells and
some petty jealousies and some obscure dirt</i></b></span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">." That was the
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it was so honest. And this is a yogi poet, somebody that's really
devoted and feeling he applied all of his devotion and he still came up with
not – he didn't catch the fish of faith. And it's easy to – faith
can come like a shallow faith or a kind of – one that doesn't have a lot of
backup of behavior. But to back it up with behavior, real faith of
what is this yoga for real and living that and your behavior shows how much
faith you have. Not your – how much talk you have. And so
I still think that's the hardest lesson is to know intellectually. And
it becomes clearer and clearer as you practice and then as a teacher, but then
to live it and to be it, to just be there and behave that way. That
near-death car experience, in that moment, you're just so close, you know what's
important. It's so clear. But then two hours later it's
dimmer.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so to keep – to really – gosh, it's so hard to – it's so hard. And
it's worse being all involved in yoga and still know that it's not – it hasn't
taken root to the degree that it can or want to. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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beautiful. That's really, really nice. So, David, where
can people find your workshops coming up and your book?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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my website – I'm trying to launch a new website. That has been
trying to happen for about a year and it's right – gonna happen. And
so – but it'll be the same URL. It's Davidgarrigues.com. And
the one – the present website has been there for a long time and it's possibly
a little bit hard to navigate. And the new one's going to be much
easier. But the old one will be there 'til the new one's up, which
should be within – I would – hopefully within two weeks or a month, but that's
where you can find my workshops and there's a store with the products . And
I also have another book that's coming sooner than the one that you were
referring to.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Oh,
how did that go past me? What is that? Tell me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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one Joy has really put together. She's edited a collection of my
writings that have been on my blog and also with some new interviews that – one
is this kind of series that we're doing of what's it like to practice in your
20s and your 30s. And the 20s and the 30s are in this book. And
then later there will be the 40s and 50s. And it doesn't mean that
somebody that's 50 can't benefit from reading the 20s. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so it's kind of a collection of writings. It's called "</span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt;"><b>Ashtanga Yoga Maps And Musings</b></span><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">". <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> In
English. That one will be within one month. Before
Christmas that will be – that one's done. It's all arranged and just
kind of headed to the final…[Note From The Editor It will Be Coming Up Soon - March or April 2015]<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> That's
wonderful. Will we be able to find that in Amazon? Or is
that through your website as well?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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– you will be able to find it in Amazon, but not right away. I would
think that it – at first it'll be on my website and then as soon as we get all
those kind of channels downloadable and stuff available, then it'll be
available there too.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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because this will probably come out in January or so, I'm thinking, the way
it's coming. So then it will be there for people to go ahead and
just look at it.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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is wonderful. And you're on Twitter as well @DavidGarrigues?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Yep. I'm
not sure of my – Joy does all of this. Sorry <i>[Laughs]</i>. [Note: Yes he is @DavidGarrigues]<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Thank
God for Joy <i>[Laughs]</i>.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Thank
God for Joy <i>[Laughs]</i>. That's right. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Well,
I really appreciate that you took an hour. I know you're incredibly
busy. You're jumping from workshop to workshop. So I'm
very grateful that you came to the workshop – to the podcast, David.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">David Garrigues:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Yes. Thank
you for having me, Claudia. It was a pleasure. And any
time. I'll do it again if you're ever interested _______.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Claudia Altucher:</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"> Oh,
you're in for it. Wonderful <i>[Laughs]</i>. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">[Music Begins]</span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">Presenter: </span></i><span style="color: black; font-family: Times; font-size: 13.5pt; font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";">That's all for the Yoga Podcast. If
you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review in iTunes and visit the
Yogapodcast.com for more interviews. Until next time, keep it real. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2192051264947704284.post-67441144821761416402015-02-24T11:10:00.001-08:002015-02-24T11:54:10.138-08:00The Yoga Podcast Episode 4 with Matthew Sweeney - Making Yoga Work For You<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Hello and welcome to the Yoga Podcast.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I am thrilled today to have Matthew Sweeney
with me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Matthew is the director of the
Yoga Shala Bali in Ubud.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He is a yoga
teacher, a <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Star Wars</i> fan, and a twice
black belt in martial arts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Matthew has
explored and practiced four, or even five I think, of the Ashtanga Yoga series
of Sri Jois, who is the founder of Ashtanga Yoga, as well as the teachings of
Krishnamacharya, Desikachar, BKS Iyengar, among many other teachers and trains
of thoughts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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teaching yoga in 1996; at first Ashtanga Yoga, but as he went on he received
thousands of students with unique challenges and he developed his own
sequences.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He is the author of two
books, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Ashtanga Yoga As It Is, </i>and <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Vinyasa Krama</i>, in which he explores the
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’m sorry.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We might
need to interrupt that because I think a couple of things are incorrect
there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I might need to revisit.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, please, please correct.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay, just the start because I’m not the director of the Shala
Bali here.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are three shareholders,
so if the other shareholders heard that they would probably be a bit upset with
me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So maybe we restart that one.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And the other one is – I remember this, I’ve just
got to think about it – the year that I started.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I started teaching in 1992.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>In 1992.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Would you
mind if we leave this like this because I think it’s spontaneous and it’s good
and then your partners hear how loyal you are, which is a great thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m sorry about this, that I didn’t have it
right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, no.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s not a
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Of course.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
understand.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And it’s good to know you
started in 1992, then.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I had that – I
didn’t get that right so I’m glad you told me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>But I do know, and this perhaps you also have some DVD’s that can be
downloaded with two sequences, Vinyasa Unlocked and the Moon Sequence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is that right?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that’s correct.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, and many posters of sequences that are quite impressive.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So I didn’t quite get the bio right, but Matthew is here to
help which is a great thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So Matthew,
welcome to the show.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Thank you for
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, thanks for having me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So it’s 6:00 p.m. there in Bali?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that’s right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>What did you do today?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, today we rode around looking for furniture and bits of –
tables and chairs for a little Indian Dosa restaurant that we’re starting to
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is that together
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>A little Indian restaurant called Dosa Corner.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Very nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I love Dosa’s.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, I know.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So do
I.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I love South Indian food, so yeah we
thought we’d – there’s not good South Indian so much here in Bali so we thought
we’d make a good little sort of, yeah, chi shop and Tiffin.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, how nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So this
is in – this retreat where you’re teaching, which you share with other
partners, and it looks amazing in the photographs.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It looks really nice overlooking rice fields
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That looks really, really nice. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, it’s lovely.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And let me ask you, so what’s the weather like there?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Ah, well hot and – hot and humid pretty much all year around,
though at the moment it’s nice because it’s raining almost every afternoon so
it cools off.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s good.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When was
the last time you saw the snow?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Laughs]</i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s an odd question.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Oh, a long time ago.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I think the last time I really saw snow was
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, because in all your pictures you look like there’s
always sunshine around you and you inspire me because I thought if I follow
Matthew’s teaching I’ll probably never see snow again, which –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I mean I have to say, I’ve actually been talking to my
partner, Lauren, about this.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>She really
wants to have a white Christmas somewhere so we’ll probably go and do the snow
in one or two – well, not this Christmas but maybe the Christmas after that.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, okay.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, you
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It’s not that I’m against the snow, it’s just that I love
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And warm weather.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, me too.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I like the snow.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I like
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>We’re exactly the same.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>We have a nor’easter coming in here in New York, so it’s going to start
snowing any time, so it’s a lot of fun.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And I have some good news for you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>You’re a big <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Star Wars</i> fan and
I understand this weekend the first trailer or the new movie is coming out.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I heard some
rumors of this, so yeah, I’m very curious.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I loved the first three movies and the following three, they were okay.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They just scratched the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Star Wars</i> funny bone.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So
yeah, we’ll see what the next are load are like.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s how you started into yoga, right, martial arts and <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Star Wars</i>?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What was it about martial arts that got you
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh well, I love – I guess I love Bruce Lee and all of that
kind of stuff.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I grew up wanting to be,
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Well, sort of; just wanting to be skillful and, I don’t know,
wise at the same time.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Eventually the
whole self defense thing fell to the side and became less important.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I don’t know if I’m wise, but certainly the
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I would say you are a wise man.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s nice of you to say.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Everything that comes across is really very – your point if
view, your way of looking at yoga, is very, very interesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I like how you keep it very down to earth,
very real.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, okay.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well thank
you.<o:p></o:p></div>
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it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So you went to Pattabhi Jois’ in ’94
after having some martial arts training, and if I understand he actually opened
the door of your rickshaw driver and told you where to stay?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Right away he –<o:p></o:p></div>
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when he’s often just, whatever, having out in the lounge room.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so my rickshaw stopped and he just came
out the front door and said hello and spoke ____ to the rickshaw driver and
spoke to me and whatever.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I just had a
very – he liked me, I liked him.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We had
a very good connection.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He said, “Do you
have a place to say?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I said no, Guru, I
just arrived off the plane.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He said,
“Oh, okay.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And then he told ____, the
rickshaw driver, where to go where all the other students were staying, so he
found me my first hotel.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s really nice. I mean that’s kind of like a dream for
all of us, now.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Going to visit my ___ is
so over-crowded now and it’s a completely –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The first
time I was there, there were on that first day I think 16, 17 students.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Wow.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>But I was there in, I think it was in September, which is not
a very high-season time.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And then by – I
think by November, no by December – I stayed there six months, so by December
and January there were a lot more people.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>But then it was 50 people and it was crowded.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Wow.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s amazing.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Now it’s like 300.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, it’s very, very crowded.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So you stayed there for three years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>You went for six months at the time.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>You really dedicated yourself to Pattabhi Jois and the Ashtanga portion
– the poses – of the practice.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So me and my
credit card did well.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Laughs]</i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Did you get in debt?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh yes, very much. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, dear.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And then I would go home and pay it off and then come back and
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, that’s the way of the yogi, isn’t it, trying to –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Having two credit
cards helps.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It also made for a few
sleepless nights on the last couple of months.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It can do
that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Did you also meet BKS Iyengar,
Desikachar?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, I’ve met both of them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I met actually BKS Iyengar in 1992 when I just started doing Ashtanga at
a big conference he did in Sydney.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So you took some classes with him or just –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, I just attended a conference and watched some of his
advanced students do a demonstration and so on.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>To be honest about it, that’s what made me want to go to ___ instead.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, I see.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It wasn’t bad.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It was a
lovely – because I was really into Iyengar yoga, you see, so I just decided I
wanted to pursue the Ashtanga thing so I went to _____ going to Pune.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And just for the sake of people listening, some of them may
not be so familiar with the difference between Iyengar and Pattabhi Jois, but I
guess the Ashtanga yoga is a lot more demanding physically, would you say?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Like in the jump backs, jump throughs and
never stops, while Iyengar is a bit more steady in each pose.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Ashtanga,
first of all, has movement at its base whereas Iyengar is much more
steady.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And physically Ashtanga is much
more rigorous, though Iyengar can be, once you’re allowed to do some of the
advanced postures, it can take a long time before ay of the higher Iyengar
teachers will let you do them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So but
yeah, Iyengar is a lot more structured.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah, and it
takes longer to – it takes a long time for us Pattabhi Jois – you would go to
Ashtanga and you would start with the primary series, which has all these very
difficult poses and you’re thrown into the ____ and you have to swim or sink.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And there’s, you know, there’s advantages to that but
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Did you get to meet Krishnamacharya, the sort of like –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, no.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He’s – he
passed before I had met – yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It would
have been nice, though.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’ve had
discussions with friends who were also into Krishnamacharya teachings and a few
of us agree that we like the idea of doing classes with him, but if we’d met
him in his younger days we might not have liked him so much because he was a
pretty fierce man based on the reports.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, yeah. That’s what we hear.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So Krishnamacharya was actually a teacher of
both Iyengar and Pattabhi Jois and Desikachar, who was his son.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You have read – you’re widely read.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You also looked into therapy, ways of sort of
dealing with the mind, the gestalt way of thinking?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that’s right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So you’re very much into how you can integrate your whole
life from any theory or way of looking at it with the mind?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Well, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s
something – I guess I would take the approach that anything is ______, it’s
just a matter of degree.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I just think
whether you start with asana and then go towards
a meditation or a therapeutic practice or start with one of the others and then
get into, I think sooner or later if you want to look at most of the pieces of
the puzzle then you’ll have to – if you’re going to be honest you’ll have to
sort of look and work on each of those pieces.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I don’t happen to believe that, let’s say, just doing Asana is enough to
say that therefore it indicates a greater spiritual purpose.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I mean the
same could be said of meditation or any practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s just a matter of being – let’s say being
inclusive rather than being exclusive.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And I just think there’s an unfortunate tendency of the human mind to be
a little exclusive.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And with any system
that exclusivity is typically an error, so it’s just a matter of how honest –
how honest can you be if you’re going to be dedicated to Ashtanga?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is that serving or is that just another
addiction?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What would you
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, that’s – my definition of yoga today.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My personal definition is whatever you’re
experiencing here and now.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And that’s very interesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It’s very new, I think.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Well, I don’t know.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
think it’s a very old philosophy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s
just new if you’ve never heard it before.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Laughs]<o:p></o:p></i></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, I – but I think it’s coming more and more into the
front of thinking of yoga in terms of the here and now rather than it being
either a tradition or the sensation of the fluctuation comes to mind or
bringing it back to what’s real here.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so whether
it’s through Asana or a breathing practice or a meditation practice or whatever
you choose to focus on, the question is is that helping you to be here and now
or is it a projection of I’m doing this technique to get to some other better
place?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And if you’re practicing a
technique like this, well it’s not really yoga by definition because the
technique by its nature indicates past, present and future and thus any
technique, if you’re dedicated to it, is not yoga, which is a frustrating point
to wrestle with because then anyone who’s doing a technique is therefore not
doing yoga from that – from a certain perspective.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It doesn’t mean you’re not doing yoga, it’s
just how you see it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I recently had
an opportunity to talk to Tony Robbins through another interview and he had a
martial arts teacher.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And one night he
was practicing and he said, “Teacher, when are we going to do the next pose”
because he had been practicing the same pose for 300 times, which resonated
with me especially in the Ashtanga yoga world.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The teacher said to him, “This is the next pose and the fact that you
can’t tell the difference between how you did it before and now,” and he blew
my mind because when you think about it, this is the next pose all the time and
then you can somehow return to these moments rather than the ideas we have.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I really like what you say, that Krishnamacharya
said that the bandhas are not something we do, but a blockage to be removed.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Ah, yes.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And especially in your last book, you talk about – and I
guess we need to give the audience a basic definition of what a bandha is.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What would you say?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, well this is a question I often ask students because
there’s a lot of teachers talking about bandha these days and I’m one of
them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I just think my perspective on it,
at least so far, seems to be a little different than the standard Asana view of
it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so I mean the three bandhas to
me are the parallel between the three layers of the self or the three layers of
the body if you want, and so that would be gross, subtle and causal.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And if you’re going to look at the three
bandhas purely on a physiological level, I tend to doubt the purpose of that.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I tend to be
a little, let’s say, skeptical whereas if we’re looking at it in terms of the
gross, subtle and causal layers of who we are as a human being, then if you’re
going to talk about mula bandhi, you’ve got to talk about what is the gross
layer?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so okay, working on the
perineal body or the cervix for women, etc.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I do a lot of lectures on this and we could have probably at least a
six-hour discussion on this subject alone.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So just to try and put it into a small piece, then I would say the only
way that I would personally recognize mula bandhi in myself or in another
person is if I’m able to use the resolution of any issues you have dealing with
your body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And you put –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So it’s irrespective of any sensation you might feel or any
ability you have.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Jump throughs and jump
backs, that’s kind of irrelevant, whereas – I’ll put it this way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My definition – my current definition of mula
bandhi, here it goes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When you’re in a
complete, loving relationship with your body 24/7.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s a great way to put it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so if anything else exists for you, like an image of your
body that you don’t like or if you don’t like how you did a posture or anything
that’s not loving, therefore you’re not in mula bandhi yet, so you haven’t
resolved your issues with your body yet.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s very interesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>That’s a completely different way of looking at it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I love it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And you also said in your last book is when you resolve issues with
money as well and with sex as well as food, it’s kind of like –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay, so what – there’s different ways to look at these
different layers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If we’re looking at
the lower layers mostly I would talk about the body and the sexual body dealing
with the lower bandha.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So how you are in your physical being and sexually –
physically sexually.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so yeah, if
you’re not resolved and in a right relationship sexually, the mula bandhi is
not active no matter how much you feel those sensations up and down.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That is irrelevant in the end.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s just a sensation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They’re wonderful, interesting, but it
doesn’t mean the actual reality of this blockage is unblocked.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so on with the next couple of chakra, or
energy levels if you want, dealing with the solar plexus and heart, the solar
plexus would be related to money.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Money
is like a value system.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s a way of
putting value on different things.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So any kind
of issues with money is relating to these middle body issue or, in fact, uddiyana
bandha.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Uddiyana bandha is functioning
when you have a healthy relationship to money.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And a healthy relationship to money is one where you don’t
sort of fear it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You’re not averse to it
and you’re not –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, you don’t reject it – you don’t reject it, you don’t
crave it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You’re fairly – for people to
say money doesn’t make you happy, but if you’ve got $100,000.00 from some gift,
you’ll have some interesting, pleasant sensations flying in your body at that
moment.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Laughs]<o:p></o:p></i></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>They will go away pretty quickly, though.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s like a high that you get.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Sure.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The fact is, it’s
energy and energy, when it’s like that, it’s how you deal with it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s not whether you have that energy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s not about how much money you have, it’s
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It’s not what ___ you can do or how good looking you are, it’s
just what you do with it, how you deal with it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so the higher bandha then, the jalandhara bandha – the net
in the stream – would be your relationship to consciousness, to thinking.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’m sorry, that didn’t come out.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I didn’t hear it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>The higher bandha ____ and would be dealing with the
relationship to your own mind, to consciousness and the relationship you have
to God.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the loving that you were talking about in
the first time sort of integrates all three and when you’re well –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s part of it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A
loving relationship to your body, a loving relationship to human beings and the
other beings on the planet, and the loving relationship to consciousness, to
space and to – if you believe in God or not – but believing in, let’s say, a
higher consciousness, so a loving relationship to that aspect of the universe.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And I think that’s a good way to say, because many people
sort of – there is a tendency from, say, the unchecked mind to judge oh, that
is a good yoga teacher or not, whether they can do amazing postures.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But really, and I think you say this in your
book, is about how kind can you be with another person is more of a reflection.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It’s more about our relationships – our relationships that we
have, that we’re offering to others, that reflect our yoga practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So we had a little technical difficulty there, but we’re
back.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I think you were talking about
being kind is really the important thing.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, I mean
there’s different levels of kindness because of course it has to be authentic. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And if you can’t be kind then at least compassionate.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Because
sometimes kindness may not always be appropriate, so we can – sometimes we have
to say no or a certain amount of anger may be natural under certain
circumstances, so saying no is appropriate, but yeah, if not kindness then
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And that comes straight from the yoga sutras,
by the way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And it’s true, sometimes you
can’t be kind because when someone is really mean to you that’s very, very
difficult.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And it may not
be appropriate because if someone is being, I don’t know, an extreme situation
– violence or abusive – then being kind in a certain way may not be appropriate
because it’s as though you’re giving that person permission to be more abusive.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Exactly.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So a strong no may be the answer, but then of course you
practice compassion instead, so this poor person is being misguided.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so that’s not altogether uncommon in most
of our experience.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And you
have a daughter, Matthew?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My daughter just
turned 16.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Really?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Oh, goodness.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Oh, she’s a lovely
16-year-old.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>She’s almost six foot tall
and quite the teenager.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Does she think you’re cool or are you totally uncool now?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, no, I think I passed out of being cool about three years
ago.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m not uncool because I go to very
cool places for travel, so that part of my life is really cool.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But some of the things I talk about are very
uncool.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, I see.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’m not very up to date with modern music.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I do like some of it, but yeah – yes, I’m not
really cool that way either.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I have a 15 year old step daughter, so I think we’re going
through the same thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s a very
interesting age for the kids.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Does she
do yoga?<o:p></o:p></div>
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in fact, so she’s actually come here to do schooling here at the international
school called the Green School, and so yeah in our spare time we’re doing our
best to get her down and do surfing all the time.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s good.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Surfing
is – I hear there’s a lot of connection between surfing and yoga.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Maybe later on in life, who knows?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Who knows what may happen?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So Matthew, you know I remember my first trip to Mysore was
2008.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yours was 1994.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So we’re in Mysore and I’m with my friend
Martina.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There is an electricity cut, of
course, so we’re by candlelight and we have your book <i>Ashtanga Yoga As It Is,</i> and with the candle we’re looking at each
of the poses.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I think we got to
Marychyasana H or one of those where you’re in a twist and at the same time you
have a leg behind your head.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We were
looking at it together and we go, “No, that’s impossible.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There is no way.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And that happened for hours.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We would be sort of be hypnotized by your
book.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This book, did it come organically
by you?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Did you just sort of made this
first and then you wrote some more about it or did you plan it?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’m not much of a preplanner with that kind of thing, but I
guess the inspiration was actually sparked by Dharma Mittra’s poster.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I don’t know if you’ve seen that, the one
with a thousand asanas all in a row.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So
I originally thought it would be really good to see the primary series as a
poster so you see everything in a row with all the vinyasa and postures, so
it’s all on one piece.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So once I
designed the poster I took a bunch of photos, etc., with a friend photographer.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So then I
thought it’s also nice as a booklet because not everyone can put a poster on a
wall somewhere, so I did it as a booklet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And some years after that students were telling me, why don’t you put
some of the things that you teach in classes into the book, some of the
dialogues and ___ that I used to do.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>At
the time I was still quite young and a bit shy about that, but over time I
thought oh, well, I guess I’ve got something to offer there and yeah, the book
slowly came out.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But the original idea
was just pictures.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I thought that can’t
offend too many people because it’s just pictures of postures.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, you have to be careful what you put out there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But it’s very interesting that you have sort
of like all the transitions within the primary series for any Ashtanga student,
so you can see it’s a great book really.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>How you do the backbends and the drop backs at the end and all of the
series and the transitions, it’s a really good book and I’ve seen it
everywhere, so I would say it’s possibly a bestseller.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You can now even download it from your site,
which is really good.<o:p></o:p></div>
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seems to be well liked.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I see a lot of
people running around with their photocopied version of it, too, so <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Laughs]</i> –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So at least they photocopy it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>That’s not a hint to anyone listening to this, by the way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Laughs]<o:p></o:p></i></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, I know.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s
interesting, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I guess people love
it so much they can’t help it sometimes.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s all
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’ve been looking in your website at your teacher training,
sort of your teaching around the world and then how you train teachers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s a very elaborate process.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For example, if I wanted to –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>If I wanted to attend your teacher training you have this
thing about getting to know the student first.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So what was the thinking behind that?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay, well this is my big beef on most modern teacher training
and it comes in two parts.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The main –
the first part is I would consider – I have nothing personally against other
teacher training, but my issues is that most hip teachers, if they’re going to
run teacher training for Asana teacher training let’s call it, you should get
to know the teacher first.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And if you
don’t get to know the student first it’s not – I wouldn’t think it’s
particularly – I don’t know if I can call it unethical, but let’s say not very
smart.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So whereas
if I do get t know a student first – and there’s some students who ask and I
say I think you need to practice for a couple more years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In fact most of the students who are asking
me actually I tend to get along well with, but occasionally I meet someone who wants
to do it and I’m look, we’re not going to gel.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So I won’t do it if there’s a deep personality clash.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s a very different way of –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s part of my gestalt training, too, I guess in that it’s
not that I dismiss someone who I have issues with or who I struggle to teach,
but if I feel fundamentally we don’t have a good connection then there’s no
point in doing teacher training.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so you have, for example, you get to know
someone that they come to a one month period of just practice?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, so these are my main courses I run around – well not
even around the world any more.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Mostly
I’m just doing them from Bali and India.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So I run these one-month courses.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>People come as students and they learn both Ashtanga and some of the
other alternative sequencing that I teach.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And through that process, as they’re learning the different sequences,
then naturally some students want to do the teacher training and so they fit in
either on year or the year after.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>During that
time they practice, they email me and so there’s an ongoing relationship.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So I insist on people, if they don’t know
how, but learning how to communicate both by email, by phone and in person.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so this is a part of the training process
for any good teacher is not all of us – certainly I wasn’t – a naturally good
communicator.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so it’s a process of learning how do I go about
communicating, particularly with students who may be a bit difficult.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Mm-hmm.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s a very
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So I want my students to actually communicate with me.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And when
someone comes to one of your, say, one-month intensive, it doesn’t have to
necessarily be Ashtanga yoga that they’re practicing, right?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, though it is a basis.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And usually for most students it’s at least 50 percent of it, but for
some students it’s less and for some students it’s a bit more.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It just depends on<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>what students want to learn, but also what
their body is capable and willing <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Chuckles]</i>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So for me it’s, again, just a practical thing
in terms of what sequencing seems to be appropriate, how old someone is, what
they’re going through, what their current state of health is.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so then some students will be learning more moon
sequences, another of my personal sequences, or even within the primary series
it’s like jumps aren’t quite appropriate because someone’s got a shoulder
injury.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So we implement other vinyasa
without missing the primary series too much so they can still keep up steady
practice.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The moon
sequence is something you developed personally and it’s more of a – I mean the
Ashtanga yoga primary series, which is how many of us got introduced to
practicing every day and building the ritual and all of that – it’s very
intense.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s a lot of let’s get – let’s
<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">do</i> this.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You have to really breathe deeply and get in
the mood and then do it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So I’ve recently been exposed to the moon sequence for the
first time and I’m actually very glad to have an alternative that’s – what
would you say is the effect of the moon sequence?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Well, it crosses the fence between what’s called the Yin yoga
practice to something that is more passive and not exertive and about releasing
in postures rather than activating.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And
so the moon sequence heads more in that direction towards, even though we’re
doing vinyasa, which is a little bit active, but heading towards not
over-efforting, not trying so hard, not being so rajasic.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And despite at an advanced level, some
advanced practitioners can start to integrate a more sattvic practice.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>The tendency
is in 99 percent of Ashtanga practitioners, the tendency towards a more rajasic
style during the practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And the only time
the sattvic element comes into play is during Shavasana. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s not entirely true.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>There are certain elements in like the breathing at the end or
headstand, etc., but still the majority of the physical vinyasa is rajasic.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And by rajasic you mean?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Your fiery, more outward, more physical-based energy.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s not to say that rajasic energy is wrong.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s just that there’s a tendency for that in
the Ashtanga practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is partly
the reason why Yin yoga came into being is to make some attempt to balance
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And wouldn’t you say in the world in general we’re a little
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, I don’t know – yeah, there is that tendency, but there is
an alternative tendency.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>People are
rajasic and then they come home and they watch TV and are very tamasic.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the more rajasic you are, there’s got to
me a tamasic element somewhere that’s counterbalancing it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The problem is we flip between those two
without trying to find some integration of the two.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Does that make sense?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, it makes sense.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So for example integrating a more receptive and releasing routine to the
practice would have a very – a good balancing effect.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, but the other effect of the moon sequence that’s
critical is the fact is even within the Ashtanga communities, around 80 percent
of practitioners are women and the reference point of mula bandha tends to be
taught from the masculine point of view – the perineal body rather than the
cervix.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Men don’t have a cervix, women
do, etc.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And the element of the practice
which is more upper body focused, so it tends to be more masculine in its
energy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Thus, a lot of advanced female
practitioners start looking a little bit masculine.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And it’s an issue, including things like developing – if
you’re skinnier it’s easier to a lot of the practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So there’s a lot of psychological conditions
that Ashtanga tends to make if not better, at least they – well, it can make
some of these conditions worse, let’s be honest.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I
think it’s important for me as a female practitioner, it was hard to let go of
this idea that I want to get to fourth series. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I had that going for a long time and eventually realized that
– I mean I’m 46 now, so I realized some postures will never happen for me and
to be okay with that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s good
whether you practice Ashtanga or not.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
think that’s just a healthy part of the process, to realize some of this won’t
be accessible for me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Then it’s just a
matter of seeing how much of the practice is working for me and is this some
part of it that’s not.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And often enough the answer is over time oh, some of it
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, and that’s what I love about your teachings is that you
say we do have a tradition.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We do have –
there is sort of a suggested guideline, but it all comes down to what’s
happening here and now as we step on the mat today.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So to insist on
a student, okay it’s devotional to do the primary series how it’s set, etc.,
but the question is well, if that’s not practically useful then the devotion
starts falling out of the window when someone’s in chronic pain and being
pushed into a sequence that in the end simply physically doesn’t suit them.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It doesn’t matter how devotional we pretend to be in that
place, it starts to be violent.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so
some compassion needs to be there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Like
anyone with an injury, no sane teacher after – I’ve seen this happen, so it’s a
sad story – but a student getting pushed into Marychyasana D, one meniscus
pops, slowly it starts to heal a little though it doesn’t get better, just
manageable.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And then it continues to get
pushed in Marychyasana D and then the other meniscus pops.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, and Marychyasana D is a very complicated posture by
which one leg is in half lotus and then you’re twisting.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, so the student is also working on opening their hips, so
the inevitable happens.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And this is not
an isolated situation in the Ashtanga community.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The problem is, with a lot of those students
who have been injured, you never hear about them again because they stop
practicing.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And that’s sad.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span></i>Yeah, very sad.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So yes, bringing it back to this moment,
that’s the important thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Like if
there is a takeaway for anyone who’s listening, including myself, is to
remember to respect the body where it at today and to work with what we have,
so that it’s real yoga.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Exactly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And that’s
both the teachers’ and the students’ responsibility to be okay, for the teacher
look at the student, what’s happening to the student now?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Not what should be happening, because that’s
the teacher’s desire for the student to get better, which is a mistake right
from beginning and end.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s just a
terrible thing that teachers get into.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
made this mistake myself and I probably will make it again.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s the desire to see the student improve
and that desire is false.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s something
to be gotten rid of.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Whereas looking at
the student and going ah, this is where they’re at now and if there’s tears
streaming down their face you might want to address that.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Or if there’s frowning or grunting or harsh breathing it’s oh,
what’s happening now?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so then we can
address moment-by-moment what’s appropriate.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Moving on to the breathing
part of yoga, the fourth limb of yoga or Pranayama, how did that come to
you?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When did it come to you?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Did you study with a teacher or how did that
happen for you?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’ve done some Pranayama with Pattabhi Jois.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’ve done Parayama with a few other teachers,
my Iyengar teacher and a couple of others, Clive Sheridan.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So strangely enough I’ve – let’s say for the
first 10 years or more that I was practicing I was more interested in Asana and
then from there more interested in meditation, so Pranayama took a bit of a
backseat to both of those.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I do my
Pranayama within the practice, but not so much outside of it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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six years I’ve been doing a little more Pranayama practice independently and I
guess a lot of the stuff I’ve learned from these teachers just started to
formulate into its own system.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So yeah,
now I’ve just in the last couple of years started to teach a Pranayama system
that I find is complimentary with the sequencing of Asana that I’m
teaching.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so yeah, it’s basically a
sequence of Pranayama and so it seems to work.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It’s practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I like it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Not everyone wants to do it, so I don’t teach
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So it came in a very organic way to you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>First it was really just the Asana and all of
this surrounding the yamas and niyamas and then it came to you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And is that what you –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Mm-hmm, yeah?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Sorry.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Go on, go on.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Is this what you talk in the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Vinyasa Krama </i>book?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I mean I’ve – for
me, currently I guess, some of the material in that is a little out of date,
but I’m not planning to produce more – I guess more books on this subject
simply because I’d rather teach Pranayama in person.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>People keep coming to me, I teach the
sequencing, but yeah, I’m not really interested putting, I guess, too much of
that in a book.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the stuff I’ve got in
<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Vinyasa Krama</i> I still teach, but some
of it is the little ______.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I like the idea of doing it more in
person because it’s so intricate and sort of like – it’s like refining the
musicians’ training, you could say, if you were to make it parallel to
music.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s very individual, I guess,
the deeper you get.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I just think a
lot of it, to me, is if a student is really interested to learn the Pranayama
I’ll teach it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And if they continue to
practice it then I’ll continue to teach the next part, much like Asana.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So I’m not gonna start teaching all of the
variations on Nadi Shodhana Pranayama if the student isn’t continuing to
practice the five stages, just as you don’t get to do much intermediate unless
you do primary for awhile.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Same kind of
thing.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One thing I like about your –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’m just not interested to ______.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s okay.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It doesn’t bother me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And some
people start Pranayama very early, whereas for me I didn’t really – I mean I’ve
been practicing it consistently for years, but I didn’t really make an emphasis
on it, really, in my teaching of Pranayama until recently.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So that’s just how I’ve approached it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Other teachers, I think – I was going to say
I’m a big fan of meditation so I’m often telling students if you’re going to
pick, I suggest meditate.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But for some
students that’s hard and so you can use Pranayamas as a way to begin a
meditation practice because it’s a bit easier to focus on Pranayama than just
to meditate, for some people anyway.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’ve been
disliking that word meditation recently because of how many – sort of how much
misunderstanding goes into it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>How do
you understand meditation, then?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, any moment
and every moment is meditation, at least potentially.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But in terms of the practice for me, it’s
usually based on a silent sitting practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So it’s just being still sitting and there is maybe a variation of
techniques you can do in that or just sit and observe each moment, which is not
really a technique, it’s just a matter of experiencing moment by moment.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I really like that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
actually prefer to – lately I prefer to call meditation just sitting in
silence, which I’m glad to hear you’re saying that too, because it keeps it
real.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s about observing what’s
happening and the loops that the mind can get you in and so on and so forth.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney;</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>The technique, or if there is a technique, is usually just to
practice a way to either look at the mind or look at where the issues are
rising and so that very looking with a technique has both a positive and negative
side to it, as I said.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Because the
technique – any technique – in the end is a potential blockage to reality.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And it’s not
easy to see reality as it is.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So that’s why we
keep going back to the technique.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, and that’s why it’s a practice, too.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We attempt it every day consciously in yoga.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So, you know, I
think the point is to practice the technique and then let go of it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And then practice either the same technique
or another technique and then let go of it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And the issues that come up are typically practicing a
technique and then hanging onto it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Does observing what comes up, let it go – I think Pema
Chödrön puts it, “Letting go of the thinking,” she says.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And just staying with the feeling, but
letting go of the words that go around the story lines.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s what I
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s a nice way to put it, yes – feeling consciousness.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What are you feeling is at the root of
it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I like that.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>One of the things I like here is –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It’s just – this is like feeling consciousness can head was
towards what I would call observer consciousness.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Just the observance of space, the emptiness of that kind of
consciousness – emptiness or spaciousness.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We’re going deep
here.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Anyway, yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What were
you going to ask?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I like how you say when you’re talking about your teacher
trainings that you don’t register or certify anyone with the Yoga Alliance, but
rather you certify it by your own consciousness, you say.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I like that very much because there is this
mythology out there that people are certified by the Yoga Alliance and that
means something.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But you take it really
deep into our own moral compass and whether you’re going to be a teacher or not
depends on your own sort of participation and how ready you feel for it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well you know, in
the end the only thing that you need to start teaching yoga is just to start
teaching yoga. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>True.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Or let’s say Asana.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You
know, all you have to do is start teaching Asana.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You don’t need a certificate for that, but
the certificate can give you a bit of confidence and maybe a few skills,
hopefully, if you’ve done a training course.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>But most of the time as a teacher, the only way you’ll learn to be a
good teacher is by teaching a lot.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, and it takes a lot of energy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I recently started teaching regularly and I
cannot believe how much energy it takes to verbalize what has to happen in
another body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:<span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span></i>Yeah.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It’s a huge amount of energy.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, well you know, as time goes on you get to refine that.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I hope so, because at the moment I sweat tons just in
teaching a class.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I hope it will get
easier.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It usually does, but that’s part of the learning process.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s like going back to learning the
beginning of your Asana sequence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s
like yeah, it’s often a big of a struggle at the beginning.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It doesn’t have to be, but it has elements of
struggle to it.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, until you find your footing, I suppose.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, just finding a natural way.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I want to ask you one question that I find
very revealing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is a little bit
deep, so here it comes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>In your own yoga path that has been pretty long, what would
you say is one thing that took you a very long time to finally understand?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I think there’s a lot of things I can answer to that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">[Laughs]</i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I guess the one that comes to mind is this
one, and this is one I’m still working on, so I don’t say that I’ve mastered
this.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>People are more important than the
practice.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>People in this moment and what is happening right here and
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So at the end of your life when you look back, what you’ll
remember are the people that you spent time with.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My experience of talking and reading about
people with near-death experiences, they don’t worry about what Asana practice
they did or how many years they meditated.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>That might have helped them in that moment of the past, but mostly what
people talk about is people – the friends, the lovers, the children.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The experiences.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Who you shared your life with.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I like that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Very
nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Very nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes, it’s about the people.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And to put it another way, how you shared your life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So if you spent most of your life obsessing
about your practice, which is by and large you’re doing that on your own, it’s
a bit of an isolated existence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And pointless, too.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s not worthwhile because we need time for that to be
connected with ourselves, connected with our body, just as time and meditation
can be connected to consciousness.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This
is important, but it’s only important next to how that goes into relationship
with others.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So if my meditation practice has helped me to be loving to my
partner and to the people around me, then –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I think that’s very nice and that’s one thing that anyone
listening can take with them; what are my relationships today?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What’s happening today?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What am I – who do I cherish in my life?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>How can I help?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>How can I be kind?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s a very sweet way of looking at
life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Matthew, you are about to release
three new DVD’s?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Well two, in fact, but yes, the Ashtanga DVD’s, the primary
series and the intermediate series.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>There’s another one that I may or may not release, I’m not sure about
that yet, which will be the lion sequence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It’s the second of my sequences in the book <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Vinyasa Krama</i>.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And that – the lion sequence is the more active sequence?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s sort of – I
guess the sequence lies partway<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>between
the moon sequence, primary and the intermediate series.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s got a lot of stuff in it that Ashtanga
just doesn’t have, so it’s become one of my most cherished sequences because it
works the body in a – it’s not as vigorous, in a way, as Ashtanga is, but it’s
still quite a powerful sequence.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And that’s one that your students don’t get to learn in
teacher training until the second level of teacher training.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Teacher training is a little different.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The students who come and do at least one or
two courses with me, usually on the second course they’ll start learning this
sequence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It just depends on – some
students learn it on the first course.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It just depends on their prior practice.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So where can people find you if they’re
interested in coming to your beautiful place there in Bali on the rice
fields?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Amazing.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, it is lovely.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Our
retreat center here in Ubud, in ____ Road in Penestanan.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I do courses here two to three months a year
and now I’m mostly doing courses in India.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I’m doing two months of courses in Rishikesh in India in February and
March in 2016.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so we’re looking into
actually building a little property there for a nice retreat center also.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Wow.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Very nice. <o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I’ve got enough Indian students, so they’re quite happy about
that.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah, I
bet they are.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Rishikesh is a very
spiritual place.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s where Sivananda
was, I believe?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s on the Ganges
– the Mother Ganges – so it’s a very beautiful place.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah, lots of yoga and lots of satsang with
various gurus and workshops and teachers that come there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So students who come to the courses can also,
before or after, go and do other things with other teachers, which is quite
nice.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, and make a pilgrim or something.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>On the web you are yogatemple.com, right?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s right, yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s wonderful.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So
in general, 2015 is that you’re releasing these two new DVD’s on the primary
and the intermediate series.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, I hope to.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Actually I need to change the dates of that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They keep getting pushed back.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But yes, hopefully they’ll be finished and ready
for download in let’s say in the first half of next year.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>By the latest it should be June.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s how we work, isn’t it?<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>They might be ready by February or March.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay, so these will release around the end of January so
people can<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>probably start to check
yogatemple.com and see whether – see where you’re at.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So thank you very much, Matthew, for coming on the podcast
and I hope to meet you in person –<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Thank you, Claudia.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, very soon.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Bye bye.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Matthew Sweeney:</i><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay, thanks again. Bye. Om shanti.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<i>Claudia
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to <i>The Yoga Podcast</i>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I'm thrilled
to have with me Gregor Maehle.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He is a
practitioner of yoga and he has been practicing for over 35 years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In the middle of the 1980s, he started
traveling yearly to India, where he studied with various yogic and tantric
masters.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Gregor has published four amazing
books – two on yoga asana, the primary and the intermediate series of ashtanga
yoga, one on pranayama, and one on meditation, and these books have been
translated into many languages.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>His
teachings incorporate not just posture, but also, purification, pranayama,
meditation, devotion, and yoga philosophy, and he offers workshops, retreats,
and teacher trainings worldwide.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The
main blog website is http://www.8limbs.com.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Gregor,
welcome to the show.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I'm thrilled to
have you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Thanks for joining me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Thanks for having me, Claudia.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It's a great pleasure.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's great.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So it's
8:00 PM in Sydney, right?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes,
it is 8:00 PM here.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Sorry, that just dropped out.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Can you hear me?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I was wondering what did you do today.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>How is a day in the life of Gregor?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>The day today was spent with practicing yoga and reading
some yogic texts and doing heaps of meditation and doing a bit of gardening.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, I'm just after a tour.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I recently came back from Tokyo and I taught
in Bali and on the Australian West Coast, so this is basically a bit of a
holiday for me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's nice, and I saw some photographs in Facebook.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You get a large following of students in your
workshops, about 60, 70 people?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that's correct, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Yes, that is correct.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, that was very interesting that you attract a large
gathering.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I guess that's
wonderful.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I saw that recently, you and
your wife, Monica, bought some land and you are now living in a forest.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that's right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Yeah, that might be part of why the phone connection is not that great
because I'm not really inside of civilization, so yes, I do live in a
rainforest on a mountaintop overlooking the Pacific Ocean.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That sounds wonderful, and do you find that the connection with
nature at that level helps you with the practice?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Very much so, very much so, and I guess that is something
that is often emphasized in the ancient yoga texts, that from a certain point
onwards, it is suggested that the yogi move into nature to devote themselves
more seriously to the so-called higher limbs of yoga.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes, and that's
what I wanna talk about today, because, I mean, I am a big fan of your books,
as you know.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I've reviewed them, I've
talked about them, and they're very – they have a lot of the technique and
you've done a lot of research around every one of them, so you talk about how
different stages look at different parts of the practice, and you have this
distilled knowledge of your lifetime work into them, and to me, it's like
someone finally decided to write all of the secrets of yoga and put them in
four-book form, which is a blessing to all of us.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But the one I want to focus is the latest
one, called <i>Yoga Meditation</i>, and because I think there's a lot of
confusion when it comes to meditation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Would you agree with that?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, there is a great confusion, and part of that is that
people generally take the Vedantic and Buddhist translation or meaning of the
term "meditation."<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You say
in this book, for example, that you've watched in amazement, a little bit, that
many students are, perhaps, get frustrated with teachers that teach only the
asana, or the poses part, and then they start looking on their own for
meditation techniques, and then they end up maybe doing Buddhist
techniques.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And that described me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's what I did.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So for example, I went to a Vipassana, and
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, no, certainly not.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>If you look at, for example, into the <i>Yoga Sutra</i>, which is the
defining text of yoga, it's many thousand years old, and there in the Sutra 3.2,
for example, the sage Patanjali says that meditation that is Dhyana in Sanskrit
is defined as a permanent stream of awareness from the meditator towards the
object of meditation and a permanent stream of information from the object back
to the meditator, which is, of course, a quite different idea of what we have
in Vipassana and in Buddhism.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So for example,
in Vipassana, they just instruct you to watch the breath and then watch for
sensations in the body, and so the idea is that all stuff – all conditioning
stuff will come up and you won't – you will not react to it in the same way you
did before and eventually will clear up, but what I found very interesting is
that you say, "Yes, you may prevent yourself from overreacting in the
future – " I'm paraphrasing – "to past reactions, but it will not
take you deeper into meditation as the yoga tradition does."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Am I getting that right?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, I guess the main thing of this – about this Vipassana
definition would be, Vipassana is actually something that has developed out of
Buddhism, and the main difference between the Buddhism and the Vedanta, which
is the Indian or the Hindu equivalent of the Buddhism, and what we teach in
yoga is that according to those so-called idealistic schools like the Buddhism
and the Advaita Vedanta, the world is an illusion, whereas in yoga, the world is
seen as real.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the meditator has
actually a keen interest in the world, which is, for us, much more interesting
than, for example, our own conditioning.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And so this sort of concentration that you were describing or focusing
on an object and receiving from the objet is actually more the way of
yoga.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It's not so much observing
sensations; it's concentrating on an object.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that's right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So for example, we wouldn't really – I mean, you know, the yoga's very
much interested in placing the body in, let's say, a perfect position, which
the yogis would consider that either Padmasana, the lotus posture, or
Siddhasana, a similar posture to that, would be perfect yoga positions for
various reasons, but one of the reasons is that in those positions, the body
can eventually become so light and effortless that we can completely go beyond
the body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That means leaving the body
behind so that they can go deeper into the spiritual aspects of the meditation.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Now, what I've seen around from people who are interested in
yoga, there's a lot of difficulty with – nevermind the lotus, but just sitting
down, there's a lot of curved spines, bad posture, and nevertheless, you
recommend, you say, "Do not wait to start meditation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Start trying it early on."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So for someone, say, who would like to
perhaps get into your teachings, read, practice, that cannot sit in any of the
four postures that you recommend, sort of like one is kneeling or the – the other
one is a modified –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Just cut out.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Oh, I'm sorry.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Can you
hear me now?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, I can hear you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Sorry about that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay, so for someone who cannot sit easily, what would you
recommend to get started with this –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes – yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Okay,
there's actually a so-called "meditation bench," which brings ___ in
a similar position as the Virasana position, so – but you're basically sitting
in a kneeling position, but you're not sitting on your heels, but your sit
bones are slightly elevated.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So yeah, so that would be – the advantage of such a
meditation bench is that your spine is still in the ideal double-S curve.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, so the low curvature and the cervical curvature of the
spine are respected, so to speak.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's correct, yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's good.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's a
very good tip for anyone who may wanna try your practices but cannot just yet
sit.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes,
yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So – but what I like about you and this book in particular is
there's a lot of talk of the first four limbs, you know, like the do's and
don'ts, and then the asana or posture, and even pranayama has begun – your
book, I think, has helped to bring it more into the forefront of yoga.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But there's very little talk on yoga
meditation, and in your book, you say you're focusing on the last four limbs,
and I really like that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Great.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Fantastic.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, and so you describe – you say that you're gonna talk
about meditation as a being all four limbs, all the last four limbs.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is that right?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, it is, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Well, you know, the way how I have described the meditation in this
book, it contains mainly the Pratyahara and the Dharana, which are the fourth
and – sorry, the fifth and the sixth limb, and then the Dhyana, the seventh
limb, is actually the success in the fifth and the sixth limb.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And then once the Dhyana has happened, then
one can go on to the final limb, the Samadhi, which, in itself, is an extra
form of practice.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, and interesting thing on Pratyahara, or the fifth
limb, you say Patanjali, in the <i>Yoga Sutras</i> – by the way, Pratyahara is
when we can withdraw the senses, and –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>– it's not described how do you do it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It's not described in the <i>Yoga Sutras</i>,
but you go ahead and do research and describe how can one do Pratyahara.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So would you get –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's right.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Can you tell us, please, how can we do Pratyahara?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is there a way to do it?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, yes, sure, but before I set out to explain that is,
Patanjali actually doesn't say, about any of the eight limbs, how you have to do
it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He only defines them, which – what
is the result when you have achieved them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So that's not limited to Pratyahara, but even about asana and pranayama,
he just explains the success of the limbs.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Now, to talk about Pratyahara, there is basically, in the
yoga tradition, three different streams of thought or schools of thought how
the Pratyahara is to be practiced, and one would be to focus on the chakras
during pranayama, and that is an approach that the sage Yajnavalkya has
described in the <i>Yoga Yajnavalkya</i>, that is a very important, influential
yogic text, one of the most important ones.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So – and in that way, I have suggested to practice the Pratyahara.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Then there is a second school of thought, which I have called the Raja yoga
approach, and in the Raja yoga, that is, the royal yoga – and one could
probably argue that this is the way how Patanjali would have practiced it,
although he hasn't pointed it out explicitly, but in the Raja yoga, the five
senses are projected back into the body by using mudras and bandhas there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now, what I have suggested in my book as the
fastest way to success is to actually combine those two methods because it's
the most powerful way of doing it, that you – while you practice the deep
breathing and you focus on the chakras, you are actually applying all of those
mudras simultaneously.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is the
fastest way to success.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Now, there is the third way of practicing Pratyahara, and that has been
described by another ancient yogi.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>His
name was Gorakhnath. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He's the founder of
the Hatha yoga tradition, or Hatha yoga, as we call it today, and he describes
in a text called the <i>Yoga Gorakhnathaka</i>, which means the 100 poses of
Gorakhnath – interestingly, of those 100 poses, 12 poses are devoted to
Pratyahara, so that shows how important the subject actually is, whereas
nowadays, in modern yoga, it's completely neglected.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now, Gorakhnath says that it should be
practiced by practicing inversions, such as shoulder stand and headstand, for
an extended period of time, and so I have suggested in my book to include that
as well and practice the inversions as well, but of course, not while we are
sitting in the meditation posture.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i>[Laughs]</i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That would be difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right,
yeah, yeah.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And now that I have mentioned the inversions, there is a
bit of a negative publicity at the moment out on inversions, but the problem is
that people are – some people have tried to stay in headstand and shoulder stand,
which are the main inversions, for as long as possible without actually having
mastered the technique, and mastering the technique, of course, means that
there is very, very little weight to be placed on the head, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So that means you should hold the headstand
only to _____ amount of time, as you can hold pretty much most of the weight,
or almost all the weight, in your arms, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And there's no negative effect.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah, I'm glad
you say that because I think even though these kinda secrets have become
available to all of us now through books like yours, it's very important to
respect the fact that you cannot just sort of whip the body into do this.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It needs some preparation; it needs to be
ready for it, and if we overdo it, we –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's correct, yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>We hurt ourselves.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Now, you did write this book into 18 laws, and I really like lists, so I
thought that was really cool.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so you have – obviously, I'm not gonna talk about all of
them because people would have to read the book; there's a lot of material
there, but you have – first, you have the six laws on Hatha yoga or –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, correct.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, then there is Raja yoga, and then there is Bhakti, or
the yoga of devotion.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Correct.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So the first one is the Hatha yoga, which is kind of like
what we know, the yoga we know, the asana, the pranayama.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's right.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And you say that the first law of success in meditation is
power by kundalini, but I think kundalini is another of those areas where
people just have all kinds of ideas.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So
can you maybe tell us if – what is kundalini, properly understood?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Let me throw
one thing in first, and that is, the reason why I have divided the book into
those three parts and have talked about the Hatha, the Raja, and the Bhakti
aspects of the practice, is that nowadays, people often say, "I'll do this
and this yoga," as in opposed to that and that, but it's important to
realize that in the ancient days, in ancient society, there was only one yoga
being practiced, and that was Maha yoga, the great yoga, or the totality of
yoga.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So if I was a Hatha yoga budding practitioner
in those days, I didn't think that I was practicing Hatha because I do not like
Raja or I do not like kundalini yoga or I do not like Jnana Yoga or Bhakti
yoga, but because I thought, at this point in my life, that is where I am, so
that is what I'm practicing, and at a later point, I will integrate all of
those other aspects of yoga, and I think this is something – this approach of
Maha yoga, of the great yoga, to acknowledge all of those many different
aspects of yoga and to graduate from one tier or layer to the next, this is
something that we are losing in modern yoga.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So you're
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<i>Gregor Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, in ancient society, everybody started
with Hatha yoga, with the physical aspects of yoga, and then as you developed,
you would go on to Raja yoga, which are the more mental aspects of it, and then
you would go on to the Bhakti yoga, which is the devotional part, and
eventually, yoga would culminate, in all cases, in the Jnana, that is, the yoga
of knowledge.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Nowadays, we have people,
they say, "Oh, I don't wanna do Hatha yoga.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I'll do – I'll go straight to Jnana."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>"Well, I'm a Bhakti yogi."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is not how it took place in ancient
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And in everyday life, too, I suppose, if you're sick, there
is no way you're going to have knowledge of all the universe, right, or if you
–<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's – yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>If
you can't breathe, if you can't concentrate, it's very difficult to reach this
state of full knowledge.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that is correct, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Yeah, so the aspects need to be practiced one part after the other, and
eventually, they'll all culminate into one.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Now, let me go onto your question about kundalini.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Interestingly enough, there was – recently,
when I taught in Tokyo, in Japan, I managed to get a bit of an insight into the
Shinto religion, which is the ancient religion of Japan.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is much older than the Buddhism there, and
I actually found it very, very fascinating.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So the Shinto basically says that the divine is something which is like
a substance which is in all places and it is in all people, but it is, in some
people and in some places, stronger than in others, but it is something that
you can cultivate through what they call "the path" or "the right
action," yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now, it's very
interesting because that brings me to – in all mystical traditions of
humankind, it was always taught that true knowledge has a physical aspect.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is not just something which is in your
mind.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so the kundalini is basically
that physical aspect, yeah?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Mm-hmm, I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I see,
so it's a way of getting to this – using the body to getting access to the
divine?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We – yes,
we could say that, yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's very
interesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So we start there, and then
the – you talk about the Law Number 2 is negating gravity, I wanna say, to
speak in English, so to speak, is the first engine of this – so in the body, I
guess, if we're starting there, negating the forces of gravity within us or
sending the apana forces, the forces that throw us down, up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Does that –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That is correct.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Does that have to do with clearing, say, emotional issues or
our issues with sex and relationships and money and things like that?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, yes, it is related to that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So everything that you have mentioned now are
issues which are related to the lower three chakras, and if you don't work
consciously on yourself, due to gravitation, there is a downward trajectory of
what we call in yoga, "the life force," which is the prana, and that
will always draw the life force down to the lower chakras.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And if you look, for example, at our current
or contemporary culture, and for example, at reality TV –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>– there is very much, you know, we talk always about, you
know, this or this character, they expose themselves, warts and all, but what
we are really looking for is actually those lower urges represented in
people.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So if you even looked at the
movies, say, just a few decades ago, 30, 40 – 3, 4, 5 decades ago, the
characters were often larger-than-life figures who had something heroic about
themselves, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And – but now, we
wanna have day-to-day characters because we want to identify with the human
frailty, for example, and if you – if a movie's being advertised, you always
hear – or you often hear this phrase, "It's a sizzling cocktail of lust,
of revenge, and betrayal," you know?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Just listen to that: lust, revenge, and betrayal, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It's a sizzling cocktail of the three.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is what we want for entertainment, you
know?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so whereas, if you just look at, you know, like the
characters that were still described just maybe four or five decades ago, or
even in literature one or two centuries ago, they were often heroic, you
know?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They were the sort of people that
we were aspiring to become, and this is – has very much gone out the window,
and the yoga is actually trying to develop that, trying to bring that part out
of you: your nobility, basically.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We are
not talking about aristocracy, but I'm talking about developing your highest
potential, the highest you could possibly become.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So maybe not watching too much TV could be one way to start
to clear that up, for example.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, very much so.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
mean, the yogi would suggest that you actually use – if you want to use
entertainment, then choose sources that depict individuals in the way in which
– what you want – who you want to become.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's right, yeah.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Yeah, that's very interesting, and you also talk about – and I guess
this is for more advanced yogis – or maybe not.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I mean, I try once in a while to do a little bit of a fasting and not
eat so much because you say –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, you say this interferes as well because it – why does
food interfere?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>All right, now, I want to start – say first one thing about
fasting, and that is, if you want to try fasting, I strongly suggest that you
get a fasting book written by an expert, such as a medical doctor, because
there's a couple of things that you have to do properly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You need to eliminate completely and clean
the bowels and et cetera, so ___ – <i>[inaudible due to crosstalk]</i><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's right, and you explain all of that in the book very clearly,
by the way.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, probably not enough in detail to do a fast according
to what I say there, but there is excellent fasting books around, so if you're
interested in fasting, any of our listeners, I would suggest to get yourself a
fasting book and do it properly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">But let me explain the mechanism why it is being done.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Have a quick look at the fact that all of the
founders of the major religions, you know, whether it's Gautama Buddha or
whether it is Mohammed the prophet or whether it is Jesus Christ or whether it
is the Jewish prophets or whether it's the Vedic Rishis,
that they all went into the desert, into the jungle, on mountaintops, et
cetera, and fasted, and then, eventually, they got their spiritual freedom,
their visions from that, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But this
is very similar to, actually, what the Native Americans did and also what the
Australian Aborigines did, and the Aborigines, for example, had a coming-of-age
ritual which was called walkabout, in which the young warriors basically had to
set out and leave their community and wander through the desert alone by
themselves without food for a month, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And during that time, they had spiritual visions, and the same was done
by the Native Americans.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So fasting
would be probably the main inspiration or the main source that, in the last few
thousand years, human beings had mystical experiences.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Now, let me explain the mechanism.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The peristalsis in the body is the mechanism that actually drives food
from the mouth, from the oral orifice, all the way down to where it is
eliminated, to the rectal orifice, and so it is the peristalsis is a milking
movement of the intestines, or of the alimentary canal, to drive the food through the body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It doesn't actually fall through the body by gravitation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Even if you were in a headstand, you would
still be digesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now, that
peristalsis is the physical manifestation of what we call in yoga the apana,
that is, the vital down current.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now,
this apana is the main reasons why the kundalini does not rise, yeah?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Because the apana holds the kundalini down, and if this
apana is turned – either switched off or turned around – main techniques by the
way to turn it around, Mula and Udyana Bandha, which a lot of yogis will know
those terms, they're internal muscular locks.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>But the most straightforward way to switch that apana off would be to
fast and to completely clear out the intestine, and then the apana would be
just switched off like that, and then usually, from the fifth day onwards,
people will start having very, very deep spiritual experiences if they do
practice some form of meditation or spiritual discipline anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's very
interesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So because this milking of
the system that is constantly dragging us down would stop, then we would feel
more elevated states, I suppose, after a certain amount of time?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That is correct, and notice, also, that where the
intestines are positioned, that is actually this area which is inhabited by the
three lower chakras, the three lower energy centers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so what is happening is that, by this
constant massaging of the intestines of those three centers, they're constantly
activated, yeah, and so they are powering first, fear and the survival
function, and also, aggression – that is the lowermost chakra – then the next
one is, of course, the reproductive issue and sexual identification, et cetera,
and the next one – and the lower emotions, and the third one, of course,
material greed and egotism, the desire to dominate others.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, so no wonder we eat more, we watch more TV to keep up
with the Kardashians and notice who is dating who, and then we eat some more,
and it powers the cycle.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that's right, whereas if you clean out the abdomen and
you would fast for a while, you just would absolutely not care at all about any
of those issues.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now, for
example, for me, being a person in the world, I don't think I would even want
to take five days out of food.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I like
the food for now.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I'm not that detached,
but would you say doing, say, fasting once in a while, which I try to do, like
a 16-hour fast or something like that, is conducive, sort of like moving
forward?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is that helpful?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Very much so.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I
think by now, it is also recognized by that short fasts are
actually the only thing that will definitely increase your life expectation
because it will also reduce your cancer markers, your chance of getting
diabetes, et cetera.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So it is actually
very, very – those short fasts are probably more thing that are good for
health, whereas if you do want to go into the spiritual dimension, they need to
– it needs to be, of course, longer.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Do you do any retreats in which you take students through
this?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is this part of your routine as a
teacher?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>No, no, not at all, and so the reason is that yogis, in
generally, do not do long fasts, and the reason why is because it will interfere,
of course, with your ability to perform yoga, you know?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So you could not do a serious asana practice at a time when
you were doing a fast, yeah?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>But the way how
yogis get around that whole problem is that instead of having no food at all,
the yogis will actually use only food which does not aggravate the apana, that
means food which is very, very light and doesn't draw the apana down.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So as a category, those are all of the
sattvic foods, chiefly fruit and veg, and of course, foods such as meat is
very, very <i>Tamasic</i>, it's very, very heavy, and therefore, creates a lot
of apana and draws, very much, your awareness and your identification down to
those lower chakras.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see, I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's
very interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Now, let me just throw that in – not to be sort of – not to
be prejudiced.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You can overcome
that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You can overcome that, so even
with a meat diet, of course, you can have spiritual experiences.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You would just need to do – perform a bit –
make up your missing points in some of the other disciplines.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So for a meat –
for a person, say, that because of – and you say this in your book.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some people cannot stop eating meat because
of their biology and where they come from and how they were raised, and it may
take longer to let go of meat.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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would it be?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, for example, to do more asana practice would be
helpful, and you might have to spend a bit more time in meditation, and there's
also techniques, called Kriyas, would be very helpful, but there's also, of
course, a lot of other aspects of yoga that we haven't really touched yet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A devotional relationship, for example, to
the divine, is very powerful, and that can help you overcome a lot, and another
aspect, of course, is to avoid toxic thoughts or emotions in any way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Again, this is, of course, something that is
not taught at all in our society.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That’s right, and that's very interesting 'cause it brings me
into Law Number 3, where you have converting metabolic fire into intelligence,
and you talk about thoughts and how it's important to keep our thought patterns
clean, and it made me laugh because you talk about <i>The Secret</i>, which is
kind of an interesting movie that, too, grew into society like wildfire, maybe
because it caters to the three lower chakras, right?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It's like, "I want a car.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I'm just gonna think about the car and get
the car."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that's right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So it's interesting because, as such, the technology that is described
in <i>The Secret</i> is correct.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You
need to take responsibility for your thoughts, but of course, where <i>The
Secret</i> completely fell short is it's only focusing on what you can have, as
in opposed to who you can be, yeah?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>If I may here, quickly, quote Jesus Christ, Jesus said,
"Seek ye first the kingdom of Heaven and everything else will be added
on."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In other words, when I
translate it into modern language, what he was saying is, "The important
thing is that you do have a spiritual practice and that you do have a spiritual
realization, and then abundance – material abundance will come as a result of
that, but don't start chasing material abundance, because material abundance
will chase you if you stop giving out a lot.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Then you will automatically receive."<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Mm-hmm.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's very,
very interesting, and you know, I'm not a very advanced practitioner of yoga,
but I have experienced that through practice, and eventually, letting go of
what I thought I wanted, then what I thought I wanted came to me – <i>[laughs]</i>
– in a strange way at the moment of releasing it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It's very, very interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So
moving a little bit on, onto the Raja yoga side of things, you talk about Raja
yoga, which is the yoga of the mind, right?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Correct, yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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concentration, because the last four limbs of yoga are all about – first, you
withdraw the senses so you can concentrate, and you talk about Aurobindo, who
had a very interesting story, and what can we learn from Aurobindo?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>From Aurobindo, we can learn quite a few different things,
and one would be – Aurobindo was on death row at the time of being presented
with a meditation technique, and famously, with that meditation technique,
which is very, very simple, he succeeded in only three days, but since then,
nobody has succeeded with that meditation technique.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And part of the reason why Aurobindo
succeeded, apart from being himself, was that there was
nothing else to do but to meditate, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span><i>[Inaudible due to laughter]</i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>And so because he was basically in prison and he was waiting for a ____
trial with a possible death sentence –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so there was nothing that was left to do but to sit and
meditate as if Death was breathing down his neck, which it literally was.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was saying
that Aurobindo was given this technique by which he would – you say in the book
he had to observe his thoughts, notice that they were not being generated by
him, but rather, he was – they were coming in, and then let them go.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Correct, correct, correct.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Now, I think that if I knew I was gonna die, I would have a
lot of trouble with that, 'cause the fear of death is so big.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, yeah.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>But I suppose he didn't have that fear and he succeeded with
that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Well, on the other hand, the fear of death or the fear of
the unknown or the fear of what may be on the other side is also an incredible
motivation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;">Death is
breathing down their neck and they have to get on with their life, because in
many ways, so many things that we are doing is entertainment and killing time.</span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;"> </span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;">Here, it is killing time.</span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;"> </span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;">When you are in a situation like that, that
you know, well, there's a good chance that you're dead in three days, you don't
wanna kill time anymore.</span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;"> </span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;">You will use
every single breath.</span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;"> </span><span style="text-indent: -1.5in;">And that's the
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, that's right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>But you say this, in general, doesn't seem to work for many of us, which
is true, and you say, then, that we need to choose when we sit to concentrate,
what to focus on, because if we don't choose what to focus on, it's gonna
choose us, meaning the mind will go out and try to choose something to focus on
all the time.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, yes, and so this is where yoga very much differs with
Buddhism and with Vipassana, because the aim in Buddhism and Vipassana is
basically to become aware of awareness, or to become aware of
consciousness.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The consciousness is that
what is eternal, infinite, formless, and quality-less, and by definition, the
mind cannot wrap itself around it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If
you just imagine, for a moment, that you have an object that is eternal and
infinite and the mind is trying to wrap itself around it, it's not possible
because the mind is finite.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So therefore, yoga uses the very structure of the mind to,
let's say, to cultivate it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the mind
is a survival tool, and it is designed to attach itself to something that has
form and quality, and that's why we are starting with very, very simple
meditation objects before we go to something as incredible as awareness.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, right, and so your suggestion is actually to – which
is what you were saying in the beginning, is to focus on the chakras, and you
go on to an explanation of them, and they have – as you get into it, they have
sounds associating to them, they have drawings.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>So it's a very elaborate process until you get to the yoga of devotion.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That is correct, but if I may just throw that in quickly –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, please.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>We have, let's say, as a yogi, we have already practiced to
start.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We start with asana, and so asana
is basically meditation on the body and space, and it is also a meditation on
the Ujjayi breath, how the breath flows through the body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is a meditation on the bandhas, which
you're holding during your asana practice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">So in some ways, all of the vital points of meditation are already in
place.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You are used to using your eyes
and to attach them to focal points, to lock them into focal points, and so all
of those vital elements of meditation are already in place.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Then you go on and you learn pranayama, the
breathing exercises, which – where you now sit in a meditation position, so
asana is still there, but has gone little bit in the background.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now the breath is the number one meditation
object.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But already here, during
pranayama, you have ancillary meditation objects, which are now mantra, that
is, you use mantra, the pronunciation of mantra, to count your breath, and
still, there is Drishti and there is Bandha as well there, and also, you're
using visualization.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Because during
pranayama, you're supposed to visualize on the sun and the moon, which are
nothing but the solar and lunar energy centers, pranic batteries in the body,
yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">So what I'm saying is, the structural elements of yoga posture, of yoga
breathing, and yoga meditation are exactly the same.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is only that the focus shifts gradually as
we go on from technique to technique.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So
by the time we come to actual yogic meditation, not only the posture, but also,
the breath is not in the foreground anymore, but still present. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I see, I see.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Right,
right.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>But now, mantra and chakra, which is the visualization that
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<i>Claudia Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's
right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's very interesting, and you
know, since you mentioned that, it brought to mind when you were talking about
pranayama and how it fits into the process, the breathing, you talk at length
about how meditation actually cannot happen if you're breathing predominantly
more with the right nostril, for example, as opposed to the left, and that it's
ideal when both are flowing together.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, that is very, very important to understand that a lot
of people, they try meditation and they find it very frustrating that they
don't get anywhere.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You can't receive any higher knowledge or higher meditation object,
and knowledge unless you either have a lunar breath, that is, more breath in
the left nostril, or ideally, even fully synchronized, that is, both nostrils
flow in the same way, or the breath is even suspended, which we then call the
breathless state.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Now,
the problem is that the whole way how we are living our life as extroverts
makes us solar, that means, the whole, "Go out, go getter, dominate other
people, and accumulate wealth," is all very much so-called solar thinking,
which means that the breath flow through the right nostril.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And this is all okay, but during that time,
meditation cannot succeed.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the
average contemporary will actually get frustrated by the meditation
process.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's why yoga puts so much
emphasis on pranayama to learn that first so that you learn to either switch on
the lunar channel or the so-called central channel, and with lunar channel, the
left nostril, you will succeed with meditation, but when you manage to switch
on the so-called central energy channel, you will have a mystical experience, a
spiritual breakthrough experience, spiritual awakening, very, very quickly.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, and when you mentioned that, it kind of gave me an
"ah-ha" moment because I've been to some of retreat centers that
offer meditation where they have you sitting for days on end, and I found that
(a) the practice of asana helped me as opposed to other people who couldn't –
really couldn't sit for that long 'cause their bodies were not prepared, but I
didn't know this part, that the importance of being able to breathe through
both nostrils or the lunar nostril, and it seemed to me that they were kind of
important things to keep in mind if we were to sit for so long, so I'm –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, this is very important.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So in the beginning, you mentioned that in
Vipassana, part of the work is by slowly letting go of your conditioning.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now, one thing that cannot be put enough
emphasis on is that in yoga – and this has been described in a yogic text which
is more than 6,000 years old, and in that text is already described that
conditioning is actually located and encrypted simultaneously in body, breath,
and mind.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">And this is – if anything, then, it's that that is really the central
tenet of my teaching, and in fact, it's one of the central tenets of yogic
teaching since 6,000 years ago.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you
only practice asana, that is, posture, it is very, very unlikely that you
succeed, and there is an uphill task.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It's an uphill battle.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The same
thing is if you only practice meditation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Exactly the same thing is happening.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Most people that only practice meditation and nothing else will not
achieve liberation, spiritual freedom, and it's the same thing with if you only
will do breathing exercises, the odds – it is possible, but the odds are
stacked against you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But if you practice
simultaneously, yogic posture, yogic breathing exercises, and yogic meditation,
the odds are now stacked in your favor, and the reason why this is the case,
let me explain that briefly.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>The so-called conditioning, yeah, Patanjali describes the
conditioning also – we call it vasana, but the vasana consists of all of the
obstacles to yoga, and Patanjali describes the obstacles in the <i>Yoga Sutra</i> </span>1.30<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And
so the important thing to realize that those nine obstacles that he mentions
there in the <i>Sutra</i> 1.30 are located in body, breath, and mind.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Now, those obstacles – and so you have to imagine that your being is
like a crystal, and so now imagine the outermost layers of those – the three
outer layers of that crystal are opaque because conditioning is located in
them.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so Patanjali and the ancient
yogis have said, "Okay, you have to simultaneously practice asana,
pranayama, and meditation to purge the conditioning and those obstacles from
those outermost layers – body, breath, and mind."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Asana purges the obstacles from the
body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Pranayama purges the obstacles
from the breath.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Meditation purges the
obstacles from the mind.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">If you only do meditation, what will happen is that your conditioning,
the vasana, will reboot from the body and the breath because the conditioning
has three backup drives, yeah?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So if it
gets deleted from the mind through your effort in meditation, the conditioning
is still there in the body and in the breath.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>If you are an only asana practitioner – nowadays, modern yoga culture,
so many people are trapped in the body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>They get completely trapped in this idea.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If I only make the body so powerful, it won't
help a lot because the conditioning is still located in your breath and your
mind, so yogis have taught that since thousands of years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">That was a very, very sophisticated psychology, basically, that you
have to purify those outermost layers and then, basically, Patanjali says in
the <i>Yoga Sutra</i> <span style="color: red;">1.41</span> – this is the most
incredible of all sutras – where he says, "Once the crystal of the mind –
" this is a bit like an interpretation or a contemporary interpretation,
but let me say it in this way: "If the crystal of the mind is completely
purified," that is, being made Samadhic, that means capable of Samadhi, then
whatever this laser-like concentrated mind, this pure, pure crystal now placed
on will truly represent that, whether it is the outer, word, or whether it is
your own psyche, your intelligence, or whether it is the innermost, that is,
your pure consciousness, the awareness, you will be able to authentically and
truthfully experience all of that for the first time, which amounts to nothing
else but – you will be free then, you know?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">Because the <i>Yoga</i> basically says, "What stops us from being
truly alive and being truly ourselves and developing our highest potential and
be able to make a contribution to the life of others is the
conditioning."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The <i>Yoga</i>
says, "Our problem is that we are living, essentially, a robotic life."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We think, "Ah, yeah, this is what I
want," but hang on.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That desire
that you identify with has been programmed into your mental hard drive, not by
yourself.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You're acting not out of
freedom; you only believe, but you're actually programmed like a robot.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, right, right, and you know what, that makes complete
sense what you said even before this last bit, which was amazing, but that if
you really just sit to meditate but the body is not with you, then as soon as
you get out of the meditation, then you'll go back into feeling sick or upset,
and the same if you put too much energy into the body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I've seen this in interactions with some
yogis.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Unfortunately, I've had
experiences where people are very mean and they don't get the part that the
mind is acting up on them if you focus too much on the body.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And so they need to come into balance.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It makes complete sense that you would have
to work on breath, body, and mind in order to see things clearly and access
higher knowledge and see things for what they are, which is what we're trying
to do.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Are
you there, Gregor?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Did I lose you?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, yes –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Absolutely.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes,
yes, I am.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah, yeah, I am.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay, so let me ask you, for someone that's getting into
yoga, it's very hard to come by a teacher that will have this level of
understanding, your level of understanding, and there's a lot out there.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What is your suggestion for someone who wants
to get started down this path but is afraid of the amount of confusion out
there?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, well – well, that is a difficult question.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That is a difficult question.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Of course, in many ways, the Internet, the
computers, et cetera, all what we have here is absolutely amazing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You know, this is only the reason why,
actually, the two of us can communicate across the world like this and so many
people can listen to us, so it is fantastic, but on the other hand, it has
multiplied the amount of confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>So – but I would say, yeah, you know, it is necessary to be
discriminative, to be discriminating, because this is one thing, you know, I
spent a big part of my life in India, and one thing that I found absolutely
astonishing is the amount of cults and the amount of sects and the amount of
abuse of power, which is, I suppose, there, exactly the same as in all
religions, et cetera.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But I found one
thing, and that is, never give your power away and never project your power
onto another being.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">George Gurdjieff, the Armenian mystic that I've quoted already, said
one thing that is really, really important, and that is, "The only
initiation there is, is self-initiation."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>That means even if you find a teacher and they seem to be triggering a
powerful experience in your powerful spiritual experience, awakening in you,
you have to realize one thing, and that is you feel that because you have given
them the power to trigger that within you.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;">So even for a beginner, it is important to never project onto another
human being that they may be so amazing and so semi-divine or even divine,
omnipotent in all of that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There is no
such human being.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We are all
fallible.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Otherwise, we wouldn't be
human beings.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So the most important
thing is, you need to keep your critical faculty on, yeah, engaged, and –<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yeah, yeah, very important.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I agree.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And keep questioning.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>A teacher that cannot be questioned is probably not a very good teacher.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yes,
absolutely, and also, that shifts the responsibility back to me, to really make
sure that what I'm doing makes sense to me and rings true.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, absolutely.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>I would like to ask you a personal question, Gregor.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In your years and years of practice, what
would say is one thing that maybe took you a long time to understand?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Let me talk about giving.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I think what took me a long time to understand was that, in the
beginning, I thought that spiritual evolution was something that I was doing
for myself and that I was doing it to attain freedom, to become free of
restriction of whatever, and the longer I'm practicing yoga, I realize that
actually, spiritual freedom is very much related to giving.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Wow.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>In the end, what we are here for is to support each other,
to give each other, and there's nothing greater and nothing more rewarding but
to actually contribute to the spiritual awakening of another being. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So I think that very much, our world is,
today, obsessed with receiving, but I found that the number one thing is that
receiving is an effect of giving.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Wow.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And so the spiritual freedom is actually, essentially,
something that results out of your readiness to do service, to give.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's very, very interesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I'm so glad you said that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's so true.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I am incredibly grateful that you joined me
today.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Do you have any other books in
the making, anything coming out, or just teaching for now?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes, I'm actually starting to collect the outline of a book
on Samadhi, which is the next stage of yogi practice after.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It's basically a following on what volume
from the one that we talked about today.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Right, so after <i>Meditation</i> – I can't wait for that
book, Gregor.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That's very, very
interesting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I can't wait.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And tell me, where can people find your
workshops, and if they wanna go visit and come to your classes, where should
they go?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Well, I have a Facebook page, which is
http://www.facebook.com/gregor.maehler, and also, I've got two websites.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One is http://www.8limbs.com – the number
"8" and then my blog page is http://www.chintamaniyoga.com.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And that is "chinta," C-H-I-N-T-A…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>M-A-N-I "yoga.com."<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Uh-huh, "yoga.com."<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>That's right, and your last name is M-A-E-H-L-E.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's correct.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>And where the "H" goes is important.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After – before the L-E, so I always need to
keep that in mind.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i>[Laughs]</i><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Gregor, thank you
very much for joining me today, and I look forward to your next book.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I can't wait.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>It was a great pleasure to talk to you, Claudia.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Thanks for having me.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Okay.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Thanks, bye bye.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Gregor
Maehle:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Have a nice day.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Bye.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Claudia
Altucher:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>Bye.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<i>Announcer:</i><span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"> </span>That's
all for <i>The Yoga Podcast</i>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If you
enjoyed this episode, please leave a review on iTunes and visit<i> </i>http://www.theyogapodcast.com
for more interviews.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Until next time,
keep it real.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14pt;">[For the full episode with highlights and links <a href="http://earthyogi.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-yoga-podcast-episode-2-anthony.html">click here</a>]</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14pt;">[<b><a href="http://traffic.libsyn.com/theyogapodcast/TYP20EP2023220Grimmley.mp3">To Listen Click Here</a></b>]</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher </span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">Hello and welcome to the yoga podcast. I'm very excited
today here to have Anthony Grim Hall, because he is the most unique yoga
teacher I have ever encountered. He has 2.5 million visitors to his blog and he has
been obsessed with every aspect of the practice of yoga. He changed his life
radically in 2007 because . . . Anthony, what was your profession before 2007?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Before 2007?</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, I was an instrument repairer. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: An instrument repairer.
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: He developed his own practice completely from home by
himself most of the time, and now he travels around the world teaching yoga,
because people invite him to those studios. So he's been in Russia, and he's been in
Spain, and he's likely to be coming to the United States later this year in 2015. He
later trained with Srivatsa Ramaswami who is in the student of Krishanacharya for
35 plus years and with Manju Jois who is the son of Pattabhi Jois. He has written
two books. One is called Vinyasa Yoga Home Practice Book in 2012 and the other
one, Krishnamacharya's 'Original' Ashtanga Yoga. Practice Manual in 2014.
Anthony, welcome to the show. I'm so glad to have you here.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, it's good to see you, Claudia.</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: So its 8 P.M. there in Japan where you are. What did you
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">do today?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Today, not much. I'm getting over a cold actually so I've just been
taking it easy.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Okay, so no practice?
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I've practiced. Yeah, of course.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, that's good to know. I was taking there for a moment,
I wasn't sure. It seems unbelievable to me to be talking to you, because we've never
talked on the phone even though our blogs have been paralleled. You started a little
bit earlier than me and we've been on the journey of practicing together. And your
book is in my blog, my book is in your blog. We've been together in so many
levels as we went through, but you have a very specific origin story and I wanted
to talk about that about how you came into yoga. You talked about a defining
moment that happened to you in 2007 where your house was broken into.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Can you tell us?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Okay, it doesn't sound such a big deal anymore. I think the first ten
times I told it, probably it sounded so dramatic to me but not so much anymore.
Basically we were burgled or robbed. The house was robbed. I had seven vintage
saxophones stolen. I was an instrument repairer. I got it with someone who worked
with vintage saxophones. So I had seven saxophones stolen. And basically I was
angry about the saxophones stolen and then I was angry about being angry.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I like how you say that, because the anger on top of the
anger is like the second arrow. You were really upset.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I used to do a little bit of Zen before a long time ago. So I
thought I’ll just do some meditation and I think I started with some Vipassana
mindfulness through some podcast session. And then sitting was uncomfortable, so
I thought, “Well, maybe I’ll do a little bit of yoga just to make it a bit more
comfortable sitting.” So I went to the library and the books were just dreadful
covers. And in those days, you had to take the book to the actual librarian and sort
of say, “I’d like a book please.” Most of the books I really didn't want to take up to
the librarian. The least offensive were a couple of books. It just happened to be
Sangha. So that didn’t look so bad. So I took them home and then I basically
started practicing at home on a towel in my underwear basically. And I practiced
just those, building off from there. Eventually I started getting some tapes, DVDs,
but, yeah, that was basically.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You were overweight at that time you mentioned.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, yeah, quite a bit. I did lose about 20 kilos or something. I
guess I was about 94-kilo and I got down to about... about 77 afterwards. So I lost
around about. . .
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I looked that up. In pounds, it translates to something like
going from 210 pounds to about 160 pounds. So it's a significant amount of weight
that you lost through the exercise.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, it's probably a bit more dramatic than that, because Ashtanga
builds quite a bit of muscles as well. It’s quite a powerful practice. . .
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: So you’re putting a bit of muscle, as well, which is kind of heavy. If
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">you’re actually fat, I guess I lost quite a bit.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: And you said that you would use furniture or books as
blocks when you couldn't reach for things. You started transforming things that
were in your life into yoga tools without. . .
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I didn’t have any blocks or straps or anything. So I was just
using belts and a couple of piles of books and things like that. I remember buying
my first mat. It was quite a big deal going into a shop and buying a yoga mat, but it
was the right thing to do.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Do you still have it?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: No, no, I don’t actually. Well, I don't have anything now, because I
just moved back. I don’t have anything. I sold everything but I had it for a long
time.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: What I found interesting when you were talking about this
is that you said that you loved the first sun salutation, but the second one exhausted
you. I get this picture that you were out of shape, feeling unhealthy. You also said
you were feeling bloated at that time.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, pretty much. I think I wrote about how it was... I think later it
became disturbing to me how I hadn’t realized the condition I got into. I think
that’s quite interesting. I thought I was okay. In Japan, I was teaching English. I
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">had some fancy suits. I thought I looked okay. And it was gradual. You were
putting on weight gradually, gradually, gradually. I must be the only person getting
more unhealthy in Japan. Yeah, it was kind of gradual. So I didn’t really realize in
a way that I put on so much weight, that I was in such bad condition. I had a couple
of things happen and then I had my gallbladder removed. I got some kidney
problems. Different things but I still didn’t really take it that seriously and I think a
lot of people think they’re okay. They think, “I can lose a couple of pounds, but
I’m probably not that bad,” but actually I was probably not in good shape at all.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: And you were 44 at this time when you got that book in
the library.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yes, something like that – 43, 44.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: And I think that's what I see in a lot of people, hitting
middle age, and thinking it’s the norm to have all those extra pounds, and then to
be unhealthy like taking it for granted that that's just how life is. But I think the
way you transformed your life is proof that there is another way.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, you see it walking around. We see it all the time now walking
around, because we’ve seen people our age. We see they can probably do with
some exercise or they could do with some eating a little better. And it’s like they’ll
probably figure they’ll get around to doing it some time. It takes time to turn it
around. The longer you leave it, the longer it takes.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: And I think also, very interesting, you actually wrote this
originally, I believe, in a response to an article that the New York Times magazine
had published saying that yoga can wreck your body. I think this is the first time
that you got prompted to write this story and you said, “Hey, New York Times, my
body was pretty much wrecked before yoga.”
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Emotional, isn’t it?</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: What?</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I got quite emotional about that.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I don’t blame you. I think many of us who take yoga
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">should look like, it definitely helps. I think you’re a good portrait for it but what I
find more interesting is that you said that in that article that you had problems with
your knees and being bloated, but also the anger seemed to have eased in your life,
that you don’t feel so angry.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. I mean, I wasn't crazy angry. I mean, I don't think I was that
bad but like any book is it usual to start shouting at your computer and shaking
your fist up the computer screen or when it doesn't do when you wanted to do
something.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I noticed that I just didn't seem to getting as angry on computer
anymore, which is a small thing perhaps but that's one of those . . . I think a lot of
people probably get angry with the technology.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yes.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: To me, that was kind of a sign that perhaps I was less stressed and
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: If you were to. . . knowing what you know today, if you
were to recommend someone who's curious and hears your story, gets inspired and
wants to start yoga, what would be your first point or suggestion?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It depends. I mean, to me, I started with Ashtanga and Ashtanga
worked for me. Perhaps there was something about. . . Ashtanga is very good for
building discipline and that suited me quite well. Also, I used to practice Aikido
before when I was playing the saxophone. I was just going to practice by the river
every morning. So that kind of practicing everyday seemed to work for me. It was
quite physically challenging and that worked as well. So I think that my
temperament with Ashtanga actually worked quite well. I don't think if I’d picked
up a different book, it might not have worked for me. I might get half after few
months back.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: For somebody of a different temperament, it might work or it might
be something else. I mean it might not be that at all. It might be, I don’t know, just
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">going swimming or something every day or something that you really enjoy doing
because that was part of it. I enjoyed what I was doing, I loved it.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Also, the other thing was it seemed to be having an effect, a good
thing about Ashtanga is that because you're doing the same postures every day, you
are starting to see that your postures are feeling a little bit more comfortable and
you're getting a little deeper into posture you’re doing a few more postures before
you stop and feel exhausted perhaps.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: That was helpful for me but for somebody else, it might be
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">something of a different kind.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You can definitely see the progress in Ashtanga where
you feel. . . because it's the same postures day-in and day-out and you can feel the
body sort of changing and adjusting.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Well, of course the other side of that is that you can get lost in that.
You can kind of get suck up into the whole next posture, next posture, next
posture, next series, next series. You can just kind of get carried along by that.
Really, that can be problematic as well perhaps.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I think I was a poster for that. I definitely. . . when I
started, I got very carried away. The day I started, I wanted to do fourth series. I
wanted to do first and second right away. I thought it all was going to happen very
quickly and I got pretty obsessed with the asana to begin with. Perhaps out of
ignorance in a way.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Also, for me, it was an age thing. I don’t know you’re younger. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I'm just slightly younger. I'm 46.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh. Okay, but for me, that was that kind of feeling that . . . I think
once I go past . . . I don’t know I got past first couple of series or something. You
started a thing that if you didn't do it now, then you probably wouldn't get it. If I
didn't do third series now, I didn’t do fourth series either. Maybe I didn't have so
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">much time to do all the fancy stuff. That was that thing for quite a while. I think I
was quite drawn up into that. I was thinking like I just really need to sort of do as
many postures that I can while I still can perhaps. It took a while to get over that. I
think now, I don't really care too much which postures I really do. They’re pretty
much the same.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right, several things have happened but I wanted to point
out . . . you developed your practice pretty quickly because I remember finding
your blog probably at the end of ‘08. Even though you started and you could barely
do the two Sun Salutations, then you got sort of obsessed with the Asanas and you
were dropping back, you were doing leg behind the neck postures and you pretty
much learned the sequences of Ashtanga, I would say promptly, pretty fast.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I think one of the things is that because I was doing it at
home, that’s the thing with somebody who practices at home. You don't have
anyone telling you that you can and you can't. I actually did because when we
started blogging, we had people telling us all the time, "You're not supposed to do
that and you shouldn't."
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: The police.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, exactly. I don’t know. I think we had a lot of common sense,
didn’t we? I think because also there was no one. If I put both legs behind your
head and there is no one to come and get you out of it. You are a little kind of
cautious as well, and dropping back as well. You don't want to hurt yourself, so
you are careful. There is common sense there. Also, there's no one to sort of say
what you can and you can't do and how quickly you can and you can't progress. I
think that perhaps allowed me to just kind of keep going and keep working on
postures. There will be postures that perhaps I didn't have a 100% but it was
coming along. It was coming along well enough and I was happy to then moved on
to something else and something else and allow those other earlier postures that
keep progressing if you like, Manju talks this way. For example, Marichyasana D,
say. . .
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Marichyasana D by the way, if you can describe it
because some people may not know the postures
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Marichyasana D, so you have one foot in half lotus. The knee is
bent, the foot is up inside your hip. Then, the other leg is bent up and then you
twist over and you reach around to the leg that’s bent. You reach your arm all the
way around and the other arm goes around the other side and then you basically
hold on to your hands
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It’s an impossible twist.
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It literally looks impossible.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, it is quite extreme. Manju would say that you shouldn't
necessarily be held back on that posture but you would keep working at it. You
would keep working on some other posture that once come off but you would still
keep working on say Marichyasana D and that would come along in some time.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Interestingly actually, Krishnamacharya put Marichyasana D in
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">intermediate postures so it wouldn’t be in primary series anyway
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: That's interesting and I think this is very specific to the
Ashtanga system. This sort of like, “Oh no, you cannot move to the next pose
unless you have done these and you will never do these unless this happens first.”
Kind of like the guidelines change depending on what teacher you are looking at.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. It depends on the teacher. Some senior teachers will have you
progressing along, continuing to work on the more challenging postures but not
necessarily holding back then.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Other teachers will maybe stay at that posture; just keep working at
it until you have it pretty much perfectly. Then, they would give you the next
posture and the next posture, next posture. There are two different approaches.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Both of them have good arguments.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I would say. I mean, because I think if I had been
stopped at the Marichyasanas because it took me such a long time so much . . . you
know when you laugh, when you finally get a pose and you have that laughter sort
of like nervous like ...
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Like, "Oh my God. It happened."</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I got that on camera.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, you have that on camera?</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I think so, yeah, when I came up from drop backs. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: When you came up from the drop back, right? </span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, that's beautiful. You have all these journals of all
the postures and they're amazing. But I was going to say, I think if my teacher had
stopped me in Marichyasana when I first started, I would have gotten bored. So I'm
glad that that didn't happen but let me ask you, did you ever get injured through
yoga?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: No, not really. Although, just recently, recently I had my first yoga
injury. I was quite proud.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I was practicing with a friend that’s doing a workshop and I
was staying at a friend's place. We were practicing together in the morning. She
lifted up to do a jump back, lifted up while still in the posture to jump back, which
is something I used to do. I went to do the same thing and then my mat was a bit
slippery and I just slipped. I think I dislocated my finger slightly.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Actually, it's still a little bit swollen. I can still see it now. It feels
fine. I can do everything I want with it but it feels little bit swollen.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I think it's interesting to know. It was a slip.<br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, it's a little slip. It took me about seven years I think to get my
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">first
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right, but it wasn't that you were forcing something. I
believe that when yoga is well understood, then you would never force. It seems to
me this was more an accident than an injury. Like you just slip but it's not that you
were carelessly sort of trying to force yourself into a deep back bend or anything
like that.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I think that was the thing is I was on practice. I think we
didn't really force ourselves in that practice. I mean, if you go to a shala (yoga
studio) you can sometimes have somebody who is taking you a little deeper into
the posture and the argument is they are trying to show you the full expression of
the pose, full expression of an Asana. We don't really have that in at-home practice
because there's no one to take it deeper into the posture except ourselves.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You could use a strap. A strap can help us go in a little bit more.
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Generally, perhaps we don't know we'll do it. People think
practicing at home there is no teacher to see you but we may have a common
sense. I think we tend to go little bit careful.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yes, I agree with that. Yes.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I think I was a little brave in some of the asana but also a lot of
common sense as well. I think that was that kind of a little balance, a little bit of
bravery to try stuff and a little bit of common sense as well. Also, some cowardice
in some other postures as well. At home, we can use the wall for example. There's
no one is telling us, "You can't use the wall." I used to use the wall for
Karandavasana (see post for photo at Theyogapodcast.com) and just posture where
the forearm stands. You go up in your forearms and then you fold your legs into
half lotus and then fold all the way down and bring it down so, the lotus ends up in
your forearms and then take a little bit back up. I was always terrified going up.
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there yet. I am not sure I want to know about it but. . .
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Well, I was terrified of flipping over the other way because it didn't
seem to make sense to me. I couldn't picture how my body would be if I flipped
over the other way while I was on my forearms. That kind of scared the heck out
me so I always used the wall. It wasn't until recently when I actually went to a
shala whereI knew that I would actually have to do it in a room that I had to force
myself to overcome that.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. That's interesting. Your blog has changed names as
you went along. In the beginning, you were a bit obsessed with the jump backs and
the jump throughs and the blog I think reflected that name. Then, it was called
Krishnamacharya. Then, it was called Vinyasa Krama. Now, it is called
Overcoming Asana.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, it's changed again.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, it’s changed again?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, yeah. It's Slow Ashtanga.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It is Slow Ashtanga, based on Krishnamacharya's early
teachings.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Your own definition of yoga has changed many times.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">What would you say it is today for you?</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: For yoga or what my blog is about?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Well, let's talk about both. What is your blog about and
how do you see yoga for you today?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I think the blog and the changing of the titles was just so people
knew what they were getting really. We got a lot of criticism over the years. We
get people who read every post and pretty much give a negative comment on every
post. Why read it if you're . . . change the channel.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Sometimes I would say, "Well, you call it so and so Ashtanga." I am
like, “Okay, maybe if I change the blog title and so it would be Krishnamacharya’s
Ashtanga or Original Krishnamacharya's Ashtanga.” Then a friend turned around
and was saying, "Well, original, that’s not very nice calling it original.” I was like,
“Okay.” I just ended up calling it Slow Ashtanga recently. I guess the idea is that
people get an idea on what it's about so they can choose then whether they actually
want to read it or not.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: What yoga is to me now?
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: What yoga is to me now? I think yoga hasn't really changed that
much. We have been talking about Asana. I mean Asana is just Asana. The blog is
about Asana. It wasn't that much about yoga, it wasn't really that much about the
philosophical side. It was mainly just about Asana. That's what the blog was about.
I come from a philosophy background. I didn't really want to write about the
philosophical side so much. Recently, it's come out a little bit but I didn’t really ...
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: But you got into the Pranayama part, you got into Mudras,
you got into even some talk of meditation here and there.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, I started doing Advanced Series, Advanced A, Advanced B. I
became a bit of an Asana junkie. It was always more Asana, more Asana, more
Asana. While I was in that phase, I came across Ramaswami’s book on vinyasa
yoga. When you see the book, it is just lots of Asanas, I said, “Wow! Great! Asana,
Asana. Great.” I took that book home and I started to practice it and I know you
practice on this as well. The thing about Ramaswami's practice is it’s pretty slow.
Each posture kind leads into the next posture but the focus is so much on the breath
and when you practice along with the book, your whole practice slows down
completely. The whole experience of the practice changes. It seems to become
much more internal . . . even though I always found Ashtanga to be quite internal
practice. I found this Vinyasa Krama approach quite profound. That had quite an
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">effect on me. Then, I had that problem — how did then I square that with my
Ashtanga practice because I’ve been practicing Ashtanga for a long time.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right, yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I tried practicing both. I practice Ashtanga in the morning and
Vinyasa Krama in the evening. Then, the other way around and then I try to make
my Ashtanga more Vinyasa Krama or my Vinyasa Krama more Ashtanga. For a
couple of years, I think on the blog that was problematic. I think, it was only really
when I then went back to Krishnamacharya (Pattabhi Jois’s teacher) who
associated Ashtanga with. When I went back to Krishnamacharya's original
writing, I saw how his practice was described as much slower than we would have
accustomed, how he was using Kumbhaka Breath Retention posture. </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 14pt;">Some postures he was holding longer. It didn't seemed fix. You could start seeing
how that early Ashtanga wasn't much closer or not so far away from the Vinyasa
Krama I have been practicing as well. I think once I found that, I was able to bring
those two practices together. Now, it’s just one practice but it feels more consistent
with each other. The other aspect about that, about both Ramaswami and
Krishnamacharya is they were both encouraging an integrated practice. You would
do Pranayama. You would do meditation. I think Krishnamacharya said, "You
don't clean the room and then not live in it." Yes, Asana and the Pranayama was
cleaning the room. You are doing your Asana, you can do Pranayama and then you
do your meditation practice.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I think I seemed to get lost a little bit in the way. Many of us
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">practice Ashtanga, just didn't go around to the Pranayama and meditation.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Can you give me like . . . because I am very curious about
your practice today because you went back, you found someone who helped you
translate the Yogaasanagalu, by Krishnamacharya, which he wrote in the 40's.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You studied the Yoga Makaranda in depth. I mean, every
time you find a book, then I have to go buy, then read it because you really get into
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">it with a passion that I have never seen before. You have managed and in your last
book you have these where you have how Krishnamacharya taught the postures
that we now do while within the Ashtanga sequence. Give me an example of a
change where you made the retained breath or stay longer in a posture or how is it
different?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Okay. I think that was part of it. I think people tended to think that
there was early Krishnamacharya and there was a late Krishnamacharya. The early
Krishnamacharya was the Mysore Ashtanga that Pattabhi Jois then developed into
the Ashtanga we have now. There was that idea. Then the idea that there was a
later Ashtanga that we see say in Desikachar in yoga, Ramaswami, but actually,
when you go back to the text, you see that that's not necessarily the case. There's
consistency perhaps throughout. For me, it was a case of just reading those texts
wasn't enough. You actually have to practice it. The nice thing about the blog was
people would send you things. Somebody had sent me basically a screen. They've
taken a photograph of every page of Krishnamacharya's second book, in the
Kannada language It was in the Mysore Sanskrit Library. I took pictures out on my
blog and then somebody got in touch and says, "Oh well, I'll translate for you
because I am a Kannada native speaker." Great. We translated that. </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 14pt;">Then, we saw in that book its original table which was pretty much exactly the
same as the Ashtanga we have now except the advanced series which that was
quite a big difference. The primary was pretty much the same. We knew that
Krishnamacharya had the basis of the Ashtanga we have now, the primary and
second series. Then, we have his earlier book which gave instructions for all the
postures. Most of the postures are in the primary series. The idea of the second
book was to re-order those postures in the first book into the order of the second
book. In that way, we were then able to say, "Okay, here's the Ashtanga we are
familiar with but here are the instructions which are in a different set." For example
Janu Sirsasana, one leg is bent, the foot is on the inner side, and so the right knee is
bent and right foot is on the . . .</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: And you are sitting down?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: That's right. You're sitting down, yes. Then, you’re holding on to
say your toe with both hands and then you would fold over. Krishnamacharya
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">would have the same Vinyasas we use. He would start from standing and then, he
would fold over and jump back into Chaturanga or plank position, goes up the face
and go down the face and go and he would jump through as usual, Ashtanga into
the posture. Then as he would fold over, he would introduce Kumbhaka basically
on the end of the exhalation. Kumbhaka is breath retention. He would hold the
breath in, he would engage the bandhas and he would hold it for three to five
seconds.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">Then, he would relax the balance to the extent and then come back up again
inhaling, getting in some space to breathe. Then, he would then fold back in the
exhalation and then do another Kumbhaka. He would have a Kumbhaka at the end
of every exhalation in that posture. In another posture where the head is up, he
would have a Kumbhaka staying up to every inhalation. That's something that’s
quite different about Krishnamacharya's instructions.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Do you find that it has a different effect on you practicing
this way as opposed to the Ashtanga where you would get in Janu Sirsasana and
just breathe five times, get out, go to the other side. In these sort of stopping and
retaining the breath and . . . what happens to you when you practice it that way?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It has a very meditative effect. Ashtanga generally always felt to be
meditative anyway because you are doing same postures and the movements are
familiar and there is a focus in the breath. It's always been a meditative practice but
this seems even more so. I mean, it slows it down. The inhalations and exhalations
are slower perhaps than we’ve become accustomed to.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right, right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: The Kumbhaka as well, there is this moment when nothing happens.
There’s just this pause. Everything just stops. Everything stops. That happens at
the end of every exhalation or the end of every inhalation.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: When you say everything stops, would you say the mind
stops too in a way or?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It does seem to. Yeah. I mean, we talk about sometimes like monkey
mind, how the minds kind of goes all over the place. Normally, if you try to
meditate for any length of time all of a sudden thoughts would be coming out and
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">thinking about and so much = but I don't find it happening in Kumbhaka so much.
Perhaps because it is only for a few seconds but there is that stillness that seems to
come into the practice, which is quite interesting.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, that's very nice and that's definitely something that
has happened to me, as I learn from you about these retentions and certain poses in
trying them a little bit, not a lot. It has the effect of slowing the practice so much
that I have had to cut postures sometimes because otherwise, I will be practicing
for I don’t know how long, five hours. I can't do it.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, exactly. That’s part of the problem. I think if you have a fixed
sequence then that becomes problematic because there are a lot of postures in the
Ashtanga series. If you want to get it all practiced within 90 minutes to hours, you
have to crack on it. You have to compromise and what gets compromised usually
is the breath.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You make it a bit shorter, whereas if you want to make breaths
longer and slower, you want to use Kumbhaka. Then, you have to compromise
elsewhere and that becomes posture. To me, I am quite happy to do half the series
one day and then do the second half of the series another days. Sometimes, even a
third of the series.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You have to take it slow. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: This week, I have been . . . it is cold here.
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It is kind of cold and I have been running around doing workshops
for the last few weeks. I felt I have lost the degree of flexibility. In the last couple
of days or two days, I’ve gone back to pretty much full Ashtanga series but I have
been changing the tempo quite a bit. Because my breath is quiet long, so I cut;
some postures I only take two breaths. It is pretty much same length of time as I
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">was been practicing the Ashtanga with same posture but my breath is longer in
summers so two breath is enough there. Other postures I would treat it more as a
Mudra and stay longer. I would do most of the series but then I'll change the tempo
quite a bit. Yeah, some postures I’ll stay longer, some postures I’ll stay less
amount of time. I’d do less Vinyasas as well so I won't necessarily jump back off
for every posture or in between every side of the posture.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: When you say I’ll make the posture a bit more of a
Mudra, what do you mean?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: There’s something strange about Krishnamacharya’s instructions in
his first book which he wrote in Mysore in 1934, the same time he was teaching. It
is almost as if he’s treating a posture in Mudra. In Mudra, banners are engaged;
usually the exhalation could be longer, maybe twice as long. Usually in Ashtanga,
there is the same length of inhalation as exhalation. In the Mudra, the exhalation
can be twice as long as that. There would be usually, say a Kumbhaka in a Mudra.
Bandhas will be engaged and that will be a strong focal point, negative focal point,
and concentration. When you look at the Asana instructions of Krishnamacharya, it
seems like almost every posture, he seems to be treating them almost as Mudras.
So in </span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Bharadvajrasana [photo of Anthony below]</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">, which is a second series
posture. One knee is bent back. The other leg is in half lotus, the other foot is in
half lotus. You reach around and hold on to that foot in half lotus with the arms
with that foot in half lotus. Then, the other hand goes under the knee.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">It’s a deep twist. You look over say the right
shoulder and that's where the twist is.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Krishnamacharya would have you
look the other way. You would be looking towards
the front which seems to allow more space in the
chest and allow you to breath. In that posture with
the head forward, you can really engage in the
jalandhara bandha and chin can come down. You
are able to do a Kumbhaka and he will tell you to
save 12 breaths in this posture or he will suggest
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">12 breaths. It seems to me that he's pretty much describing the Mudra. The Asana
seems to become more mudra.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I see. It seems to me that practicing Krishnamacharya’s
sort of way of Ashtanga yoga would give a completely different effect than
practicing the Pattabhi Jois Ashtanga yoga especially if this practice today jump in,
jump out, one and a half hour is all of the Asanas. I think we are seeing
practitioners who have been doing it now for 30, 35 years and how they are
changing too. You pointed to an article to me yesterday from Gregor Maehle
where his view of Ashtanga yoga has changed. I think many of us or at least for me
as I grew older, I also notice that . . . I mean, frankly, I’m not sure I can keep up
with that rhythm. Second, I find that this approach of going slower, getting more
into the posture tends to have that effect of finding peace which is more like what I
think I want out of yoga. Has your view in Ashtanga changed that way or you use
it . . . on different days you still go for the running and on other days you go for the
slow?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: No, I tend to practice pretty much the same thing all the time now.
For a long time, I keep my Friday practice sort of sacred, straight primary. For
years, that would stay the same no matter what else I was doing. There was that
Friday practice day but that's changed a little bit now as well. Just a couple of days
ago, I read some conference notes from Sharath Jois in Mysore and he was saying
that eventually everyone comes back to primary anyway. He was saying basically,
don't dismiss primary series. Primary series is great. Eventually you’re going to
come back to it whether through injury, whether through old age, whether through
some other reasons. Eventually, you are going to come back to those basic postures
anyway. On another thing, with Sharath, although often it seems that modern
practitioners of Ashtanga seem to practice very, very quickly, when you see
Sharath practice, he never seems rushed to me.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: He doesn’t. Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: He just seems very relaxed throughout the whole practice. He'll do it
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, he is very light and he is like a feather sort of
floating through.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Nothing’s changed.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: My jump back changed. I used to do this very dramatic jump back
where I kind of pretty much went into sort of half handstand I floated down and
through. Then, I saw Sharath’s . . . I think he demonstrated a little jump through
once in Mysore. It was the most delicate little thing, almost a little step, a little hop.
There was just no energy at all. It was just so efficient. I just completely changed
my jump through from that. Now, I do this kind of little Sharath’s little hop
through. My whole practice has that aspect where I try to conserve energy more
and more and less, less, less. I thought maybe that's the point. Maybe eventually,
we get past that body aspect because for a while it’s cool, right? I mean Ashtanga
can be pretty cool and we can get lost in that a little bit. We get lost in all fancy
postures but after a while, we stop seeing through that. It’s just fancy postures.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right, right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: We just seem to kind of look for something else in the practice
because by then we're addicted to practice anyway so we’re just going to keep it
doing, right? You got to find something else in the practice.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, what is that something else you're finding? Are you
finding that through Pranayama, through meditation?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. I was talking about this with a friend, Nick actually today,
how . . . see this is the problem I think. It used to be supposedly that you would do
Pranayama quiet early on. Then it seemed to come into practice that you don't need
do Pranayama after you achieve second series because a lot of people never
achieve second series, whereas with Ramaswami, we would do Pranayama pretty
early actually. When you practice Pranayama, that changes a few of your Asana
practice straight away. Once you practice Pranayama and you’re practicing
meditation, then you can't help but stop bringing back in to your practice or
perhaps noticing that aspect of the practice more.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, that is so true. That is absolutely true. It changes the
quality because the focus is different I think. The body serves the purpose of the
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">quietness and the silence I suppose and that peace that comes from the silence
rather than maybe just a stretching more or doing more fancy postures. It changes.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I like when you said you have a 33 part post on
developing a practice and on part 16, you say, “Anyone who practice six days a
week earns the right to determine for themselves what the hell this practice is
about.”
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Is that why you choose yourself yogi?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. That's what I mean by choose yourself yogi but also
I mean that you really didn't fear the police that came after you and they came after
me too, “Oh, you shouldn’t be writing, you shouldn’t be doing that,” and you took
the positive parts of that. I really welcome comments about how to improve the
postures. You kind a use the whole cyber [inaudible 00:46:04] in a way but I like
this part because I think eventually when you get in it and you're like almost nine,
ten years into it now, it does become your practice. It does become something very
personal and you find what works for you. I think that's the beauty of it.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, there is a point I think when . . . you know, if you’ve been
turning over your mat every day for a period. I don't know what that period would
be. I mean, if you turn over the mat every day for a month, that's something.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Get a week. Get a whole week. Turn up every day in the morning
and do your practice even if it’s a really short practice for a week and that's the
thing. Then, you do it for months and then, if you got a year of just turning all the
time then I think you’ll start earning the right to basically make sense in your own
practice. I think once you’ve done that for a couple of years . . . and I think
somebody sort of telling you what is the right or wrong practice for you, that just
becomes a bit nonsensical really because there is always supposed to be our own
practice I think. In the end, you’re supposed to go up to a little hot somewhere and
sweep it clean and do your practice.
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come across this. How do you stay motivated to return? Say that person, say they
did a week of practice but then suddenly they feel like they don't want to do it,
what do you answer to that?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I don't know how people do it with other practices. I know Ashtanga
works quite well. That's one of its strengths. The problem is it has some dangers
perhaps but it also has that where it seems to be built almost in a way that
encourages you.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Because of six times a week.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, because you get into the habit. It’s very good at building a
routine and routine is the mother of discipline. You just have to turn up. Even if
you are not going to do your whole practice, even if you just get changed and
understand that at the top of your mouth, that's a start. Once you're there then say
okay, you’re just going to do a couple of Sun Salutations, right? Even if you only
do say five Sun Salutations and then, roll up your mat and then leave, then that’s
still quite something. You’re still building that routine of actually getting on to
your mat in the morning. I am sure you’re saying to me how many times you say,
“Okay, I'll just get on there and just do a few Sun Salutations.”
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I always end up doing my whole practice.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: That happens. That takes you by surprise when it happens.
After a year like, “How did I end up doing the whole thing?”
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, you think. Like this morning, it’s cold and I said, “Okay, I’ll
just maybe do a little bit of standing and a couple of series postures.” Then, I end
up doing the whole thing.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Because they link into each other as well. That's the beauty of a
relatively fixed sequence is that you get used to one posture following the other
posture. It feels really strange to stop somewhere.
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I'll just do the next one. I’ll just do the next and then you’re half way
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Anthony I've seen a photograph of you teaching. There is
a slide behind you and there is Krishnamacharya sitting down. I was curious. Do
you talk about the history of Krishnamacharya in your courses? That looked very
interesting to me.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: The slides I basically ripped them off from the Transformation
Exhibition New York. I took little screenshots of some of the pictures from that
and I just tried to use it to just try and put Krishnamacharya in context really. I just
have this slideshow of these pictures of old yoga figures and heroes and super
heroes because a lot of those old stages there were all these stories behind them.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Those were the superheroes I figure that Krishnamacharya grew up
with, so that's what I do. I just wanted to put Krishnamacharya in context a little
bit. Then, I talked about the myth and the legend of Krishnamacharya and then
afterwards, we just basically kind of question that. We have some questions of
some of those aspects of the myths and the legend and see how we want to see
some of the story. I’m just trying to get more of an idea of who is the person who
actually wrote those books and developed that practice.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: That's very interesting. I can't wait to take your work. I
really like it. I’m pretty sure. Let me ask you. Has it happened to you to get people
come to you who are complete beginners or people who are a little out of shape?
How do you accommodate for that?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Not really, because I don't really teach. I don't think I teach. I mean,
I never really wanted to teach. I wasn't planning on teaching at all.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: But it's happening.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I know but when I went to Rama Swami's, it was a teacher training
but I don't think anyone would say, “I’m going to teach training.” We just wanted
to spend five weeks with Rama Swami but there was that feeling that afterwards
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">you probably should teach, that you all must oblige. And so it was the case. Well,
if somebody asks me, then I'll do it but I didn't particularly want to become yoga
teacher necessarily.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: A couple of times, I’ve had a few people who got in touch but
they’re usually people who either teaches themselves or have been practicing a
while and wanted to maybe find out some more about Vinyasa Krama or some of
Krishnamacharya’s work; not so many beginners. Again, on the workshops, it’s
usually Ashtangas who want to know a little bit more about the history or it's about
people who are curious about Vinyasa Krama and want to know anything about
that.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, yeah.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I mean I have people on the blog obviously. The blog people get in
touch all the time saying they’re just starting a practice and we get a lot of
questions there but that’s perhaps a bit different.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right. I’m going to ask a kind of a deep type of question
that I ask but you always have such a different view that always surprises me so
let's see. Here’s the thing. What would you say is one thing within the yoga worlds
in all of these years of practice and studying, what is that one thing that took you a
very long time to understand?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Well, everything. I mean everything really. Should we just change
our view on it all the time constantly? Yoga is radically inquiring. That’s what it's
about. It’s supposed to be questioning everything. I mean, really, really everything.
Everything we think, we see, experience, every . . . who we think is experiencing
the experience. It’s radically inquiring. Looking at the practice again and looking
what we think yoga is and what it means to us, that’s changing a lot. It’s
embarrassing sometimes looking back at some of the old posts; sometimes I come
across an old post about developing a yoga practice that sometimes I keep thinking
about rewriting those and I look at them and say, “Oh, my God. I can’t believe I
wrote that.” I’ll pretty much dismiss every aspect of yoga that I’ve ended up two
years, four years later in writing posts. What was the question again?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right. For you, it's a constant understanding and coming
back and revisiting. It's a work in progress what's taking you so long.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yes, because you have to do that. That’s part of the problem. This
practice becomes very personal, especially if you practice every day.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yes.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It becomes very, very personal. I mean, you get an idea on what it's
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">about, what it means to you and people can get quite defensive about it. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, yeah.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: They’re almost constantly wanting to reinforce that if you like.
Actually, you need to question that. You need to keep questioning it all the time. I
think in my own practice, I can see myself constantly going back and questioning
again stuff that I kind of come up with. That’s the nice thing about a blog is you
can see it there when you read it. Often, I’ll write a post and it will kind of come
out and I’ll actually post it because I want to think about whether I actually agree
with what I’ve written few days later. Sometimes, I’m always almost annoyed that
people don't challenge me on some of these things because . . .
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Really?</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I write something, I know how I respond. I know what I question. I
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">wrote one recently on the origin of jump backs and through. . .
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I saw that. That was very interesting.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You know, I liked that post but as soon I’ve finished writing it, I had
so many questions about it. Do I really think that? Where are the examples of this?
Where is the evidence?
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: You were saying, “Where did Krishnamacharya get the
idea for the jumping back and jumping through in between each pose?” You were
trying to sort of figure out where did that come from. Was that Pattabhi Jois? Was
that Krishnamacharya? Was it a teacher?
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: There’s the idea that . . . . It seems that if you stop with the Asana
and then you try and figure out where did the Vinyasa come from so then you're
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">adding on postures if you like around it and you think, “Where did he get those
posture from?” You look around and you see there’s this wrestling example.
There’s this gymnastics movement going on and all these things. You bring those
things in.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Then that’s your way of explaining it and if you’re starting from an
idea of the dynamic practice, a very athletic Ashtanga practice, then you're looking
for those aspects to explain that practice, right?
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: For me, I was practicing a much slower Ashtanga. I was looking at
Krishnamacharya’s early work and I was looking at the Sun Salutations with
mantras where you would do one of the first postures of Sun Salutations and the
breath would be held in a Kumbhaka and then you would chant mentally a mantra
and then you would fold into the next stage of the Sun Salutation and there would
be another mantra on the Kumbhaka and so on through the Sun Salutation. In the
middle, you would prostrate to the sound if you like. Then, you move back through
the Sun Salutation back to standing. It seems to me that everything was there and
all we needed to do was just take that prostration out and put any of the Asana in
there, put Paschimottanasana in there, put Janu Sirsasana, put Marjariasana in the
middle. Everything else is the same.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: The Kumbhaka is there already and all those different aspects: the
meditative practice, the breathing is there. Everything becomes explained in a more
elegant way it seemed to me. Depending on where you’re coming from, if you’re
coming from a modern idea where practice is being very dynamic and then trying
to explain a practice from a long time ago or if you're starting from how that
practice was a long time ago or it was much calmer and then trying to explain it
from there, that seems to make a difference.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, and I didn't challenge that post at all because I had
a little bit of an “Aha!” moment. “He’s right”, is what I thought. All the elements
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">of Sun Salutations with the postures in the middle, it kind of makes complete sense
to me.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. I mean I’m still questioning even if it's a series. You still need
to tidy up and you still need more examples to kind of nail it down but it's nice. It
does not really explain whether Krishnamacharya developed that himself, whether
his teacher developed it, or whether it was something that went back a long way. I
don't really know.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Either way, it explains many aspects of a slower practice, of the
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">slower Ashtanga.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, and it’s fascinating to follow you because I find
you to be kind of like the gossip magazine of the 1940’s yoga. Yeah, you’re
looking for all the details, “Where did this come from? Was it Krishnamacharya?
Was it his teacher?” It’s fascinating how you present it and how you're constantly
exploring it. Also not just gossip but fact checking with history and reading books
and doing research, it’s fascinating. I highly recommend your blog to anyone. It’s a
rabbit hole. You’ll go down and you can get trapped in there for hours.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I keep trying to stop it. I think the last post — I forgot when that was
— and I was thinking, “Well, that would be a good last post.” I thought, “Yeah,
that would be a good last post.” Then, next month, “Yeah, that would be a good
last post. That would be a good one to end up.” Every time I think about it, I end
up coming up with another ten posts.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I think I heard you saying that a couple of years ago too.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Loads of time, yeah.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, loads of time.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Every time I think about it, I end up coming up with some more
things.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">, do you have any more books coming
out? Are you working on anything that you may be publishing soon?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: No, I don't really. I keep coming up with ideas of things. I keep
saying, “I want to do something on this, something on that.”
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Okay, so it could be happening. If people want to hear
about your upcoming workshops, you may have one coming it the United States, I
hear?
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. That was talked about. I was asked if I’d do one. I think
sometime last year, I was asked if I’d do one next year, so it’s quite a long way
ahead. It was in theory. I haven't heard any more about whether anyone still wants
me or if the person still wants me to do it. If they want me to do it, I guess I’ll do it.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I hope so. I certainly hope so.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I enjoy it. I mean the nice thing now is I have no more workshops
sort of in the diary. There’s nothing. It’s kind of nice. It's like, “Okay, I can just
worry about my own practice now.”
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: It’s disruptive doing workshops but then again, when you do them,
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">it’s just so rewarding and I enjoy doing it.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I agree with that. For me, I just gave recently a workshop
and it was exhausting but coming back to the mat, I couldn't believe how much I
got out of the workshop myself.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;"><br />
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Even though I was a facilitator or teacher of kinds, it's
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">interesting.
</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Because you are explaining things. All these things are kind of
coming out. Then, you’re like, “Yeah, yeah.” Then, in your own practice, you want
to kind of come back to that. When somebody was asking what the Kumbhaka
about, what was the Kumbhaka for Krishnamacharya and I was like, “Okay.” I
explained my understanding of what it was and I don't think I said it out loud
before. It was like, “Ah, so then in my own practice. . .” I was quite powerful when
I started practicing afterwards. It was like, “Ah, that’s interesting.”
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Right.</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah. It’s rewarding, I enjoy doing them. Yeah.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: I hope I see you soon. Can you tell us your blog for
people to find you?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, I don't know. What is it now? Kind of the nickname I was using
is Grimmly. Usually, you just type in Grimmly and pretty much anything to do
with Ashtanga, it will come up. At the moment, it’s called . . .
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: grimmly2007.blogspot.co.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: blogspot.co.uk.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh, .co.uk? Oh, I go to .com and it takes me there too.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, yeah. It does. Basically, you just write Grimmly Ashtanga or
Grimmly Krishnamacharya, Grimmly anything.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: its just Grimmly. I think just Grimmly, that's it. Perhaps,
we can close on that note. What is the Grimmly being about?
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Oh. Years ago, I spent bunch of years in the 80’s travelling and I
had a big beard and a lot of hair. We were hitchhiking. I think we hadn’t had a bath
for two weeks until we hit the sea. I was looking pretty grim. Then, we got some
work building a house in Switzerland. Then, my friend spoke better French than I
did so he introduced me. He said I was called the Grimmly and introduced me as
that.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: That's right. Grimmly, </span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">, thank you very much for
joining me today. I really appreciate this. I am sure everyone else will too and you
can also find Grimmly on Twitter. He is grimmly2007, as well as in his blog and
we hope to have you in the US soon.
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<span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Yeah, pleasure</span><br />
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</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Claudia Azula Altucher</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: Okay, bye-bye.
</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPS'; font-size: 14.000000pt; font-style: italic;">Anthony Hall</span><span style="font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; font-size: 14.000000pt;">: All right. Bye. </span></div>
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